RPU Fine at Pearse

Griffin87

i am a regualry user of the dart as i get it to and from work everyday.
from raheny to pearse. I always buy a weekly ticket. on this week i bought a 3 day return ticked from rahney to pearse. i purchassed the ticked on wednesday 8th of june.


on thursday the 9th of june i got on the Dart at raheny the turnstyles where open so i just walked through without looking for my ticket. halfway through my journey i realised i had no ticket. it was left in my jeans pocket at home. i thought it should be ok ill just explain at the inspecters at the turnsyles in pearse station.

this has happened before and i just bought a return ticket for the day

but this time he sent me to rpu office where he issue me a one hundred euro fine and rang my mother to confirm my details. The ticket inspector said i could produce the ticket and appeal the fine.

I though ok thats grand ill just return the rpu office with my valid ticket.

i went back to the rpu office on monday 13th of june with the valid ticket and the fine.

there was a different inpector in the office and he said i couldnt verify the ticket with him as he was not the inspector who issue the fine. surelly he could look in the book and find my name i thought. but he said to send the fine and ticket by post to the office.

so i posted the fine and valid ticket with letter explaining the situation.

This morning i received a letter " after careful consideration and regard to all circumstantes, it is the decision of the committee not to allow your appeal"

the also say the decision is final

Am i right and saying that this is a very harsh ?

bare in mind i could have went threw the subway in pearse and went back home got the ticket and came back with no fine.

i have done everything they asked of me and they still want me to pay the fine.

Cookie_Monster

to be honest you ain't gonna find sympathy here, have a search of the forum to see what normally happens.

oh, and get your flame suit on too

corktina

I think they might think that you had borrowed the ticket from someone else to try to wriggle out of the fine or maybe hadnt got the ticket with you as you had lent it to someone else. These are the reasons why you must have the ticket on you

AlekSmart

Oh, and get your flame suit on too

Ah c'mon Cookie,it aint that bad in here....:D

Mind you I'm left wonderin,not for the first time about the Knowledge Based Economy and all that stuff that's going to power the country straight out of this depression.....is'nt it ..?

Mr. Presentable

I think it's harsh, but to the company forgetting the ticket is the same as never having had one, so they are applying the regulations properly and you've no-one to blame but yourself.

goingnowhere

No ticket => fine

Only on tickets with matching photo ID can you appeal based on having a ticket but not having it with you, as no one else could (well should) use your ticket

Item 10
http://www.iarnrodeireann.ie/about_us/pdf/Irish%20Rail%20passenger%20info%20leaflet%20on%20Fixed%20Penalties.pdf

Griffin87

still think it harsh. so just going to boycott them now. cycling to work starting next week

dowlingm

The objectionable conduct by IE here is that he received different information from different inspectors.

griffin87

Serious question ahead:

How would you design a procedure for IE to follow in this case which would allow innocent parties off while punishing scam artists?

cheers

Victor

Do you keep your old tickets? Can you demonstrate that you habitually buy tickets?

Do you know when you bought the ticket (time should be printed on it in a slightly disguised format)? Ask them to review video of you buying it.

corktina

theres no arguement that he had a ticket, just didnt have it on him. In which case IE could take the view that someone else was using it or two people had one ticket between them. Dowlingm's serious question puts his finger on it.

Carawaystick

dowlingm wrote: »

The objectionable conduct by IE here is that he received different information from different inspectors.

The OP could always ask for a data protection request for all details IÉ has pertaining to them. The minutes of the committee meeting refusing his appeal might be eye opening.

dowlingm wrote: »

How would you design a procedure for IE to follow in this case which would allow innocent parties off while punishing scam artists?

It's simple. Install ticket barriers that work to prevent people boarding trains when they don't have a ticket.

Or else just have innocent mistakes say they got on in Broombridge

Or else have the mother invoice for the penalty notice for consultations.

Or else just get off in Connolly and leave via the car park

Or else just say you're coming from the car park in Connolly

Victor

Carawaystick wrote: »

Install ticket barriers that work to prevent people boarding trains when they don't have a ticket.

The barriers were being installed in Raheny that week.

Griffin87

Carawaystick wrote: »

The OP could always ask for a data protection request for all details IÉ has pertaining to them. The minutes of the committee meeting refusing his appeal might be eye opening.

Im am going to write a letter this afternoon and ask for this. I also going to tell them they should accept some level of responsibilty as teh turnstyles where not working in rahney i should not have been able to board the train without a ticket.

Losty Dublin

Griffin87 wrote: »

Im am going to write a letter this afternoon and ask for this. I also going to tell them they should accept some level of responsibilty as teh turnstyles where not working in rahney i should not have been able to board the train without a ticket.

Two things to bear in mind here.

First off, the CCTV images may well be gone by now as they need only be legally kept for 28 days so you need to act quickly to get them. I enclose a link below that should help you. edit, I know you said you were fined recently, apologies.
Secondly, you said you hadn't got a valid ticket on you when you traveled; the fact that you could isn't that much of a defence to go on.

http://www.dataprotection.ie/viewdoc.asp?m=m&fn=/documents/guidance/cctv.htm

goingnowhere

Griffin87 wrote: »

Im am going to write a letter this afternoon and ask for this. I also going to tell them they should accept some level of responsibilty as teh turnstyles where not working in rahney i should not have been able to board the train without a ticket.

Your responsibility to have the ticket. CCTV is irrelevant you had no ticket when challenged, by own admission you forgot the ticket. case closed.

If it had been a weekly/monthly/annual ticket the notice will be struck out on the grounds that a) you had paid and b) no one else could have used your ticket