10km PB in the rain.

Mr Marri

Did a pb for my training run last night in the rain,
Would it be ok to assume that I would have been 30sec faster if it was dry? . or what would be a fair allowance for rain on a 10km?

TFBubendorfer

Mr Marri wrote: »

Did a pb for my training run last night in the rain,
Would it be ok to assume that I would have been 30sec faster if it was dry? . or what would be a fair allowance for rain on a 10km?

Rain does not slow you down at all, as long as the surface isn't slippery.

Sorry.

Pisco Sour

Mr Marri wrote: »

Did a pb for my training run last night in the rain,
Would it be ok to assume that I would have been 30sec faster if it was dry? . or what would be a fair allowance for rain on a 10km?

Paula Radcliffe set a European Record for 10000m in the pissing rain in Munich in 2002. During the race Brendan Foster, commentator for BBC, said that the conditions were ideal for long distance racing.

mloc123

If anything I think you might be a little faster in the rain... IMO
Rain keeps you cool and will help reduce HR slightly.

Mr Marri

TFBubendorfer wrote: »

Rain does not slow you down at all, as long as the surface isn't slippery.

Sorry.

Yes it was very slightly slippery

04072511 wrote: »

Paula Radcliffe set a European Record for 10000m in the pissing rain in Munich in 2002. During the race Brendan Foster, commentator for BBC, said that the conditions were ideal for long distance racing.

Yea but, I wasn't running on a track with spikey shoes

mloc123 wrote: »

If anything I think you might be a little faster in the rain... IMO
Rain keeps you cool and will help reduce HR slightly.

Yeah but, I'll be heavier going up hill.

Throw me a bone...please:o

RayCun

Training run pbs don't count anyway, whatever the weather

Pisco Sour

Mr Marri wrote: »

Throw me a bone...please:o

Forget the rain, the adrenaline on race day should account for that extra 30 seconds you are looking for

Pisco Sour

RayCun wrote: »

Training run pbs don't count anyway, whatever the weather

On the track they do

RayCun

04072511 wrote: »

On the track they do

Why? You'll know the distance is right, but the timing probably won't be precise in training. (and in any race longer than a couple of hundred metres, you'll have competitors to deal with)

TFBubendorfer

Mr Marri wrote: »

Yes it was very slightly slippery

It can't have been that slippery if you ran a pb.

Mr Marri wrote: »

Throw me a bone...please

Sure - you'll be faster again next time.

kennyb3

Here's a bone - do a race and i ll bet you ll be about a min quicker than your training time.

Pisco Sour

RayCun wrote: »

Why? You'll know the distance is right, but the timing probably won't be precise in training. (and in any race longer than a couple of hundred metres, you'll have competitors to deal with)

Well that was the main reason really.

Krusty_Clown

Mr Marri wrote:

Throw me a bone...please

Your clothes will have absorbed lots of rain, and therefore will have been a lot heavier than equivalent clothes on a dry day. That's got to be worth at least a second over 10kms.

Cartman78

Krusty_Clown wrote: »

Your clothes will have absorbed lots of rain, and therefore will have been a lot heavier than equivalent clothes on a dry day. That's got to be worth at least a second over 10kms.

Wet hair could be worth a few seconds as well

As mentioned earlier though, your race time will be significantly faster anyway

Mr Slow

Mr Marri wrote: »

Throw me a bone...please:o

As said already whatever you run in training you can expect to run faster in a race.

Dunshaughlin 10k is on Sat night, set a pb that counts

RayCun

Mr Slow wrote: »

Dunshaughlin 10k is on Sat night

:pac: I thought it was Sunday! I'd have been the one with a training PB :rolleyes:

Mr Slow

RayCun wrote: »

:pac: I thought it was Sunday! I'd have been the one with a training PB :rolleyes:

What is your training pb?

RayCun

Mr Slow wrote: »

What is your training pb?

No idea, I've never run a 10k time trial. I've have a look at my Garmin records and see what I find...

probably this or this. My actual 10k PB is 46.34 from the GIR.

Krusty_Clown

Cartman78 wrote: »

Wet hair could be worth a few seconds as well

When we were kids there was a belief that you actually ran faster with wet hair. You can picture the scene: school play-ground, lots of kids milling around running at break-neck speed half-soaked, with water dripping off them.

So no, I'm afraid you actually lose a couple of seconds when running with dry hair.

BrokenMan

Krusty_Clown wrote: »

When we were kids there was a belief that you actually ran faster with wet hair. You can picture the scene: school play-ground, lots of kids milling around running at break-neck speed half-soaked, with water dripping off them.

So no, I'm afraid you actually lose a couple of seconds when running with dry hair.

What happens if you have no hair?

rainbow kirby

BrokenMan wrote: »

What happens if you have no hair?

Surely the aerodynamic advantage is good for a second or two!

Krusty_Clown

BrokenMan wrote: »

What happens if you have no hair?

You could try a wig, or small hair-piece, and just dip in water before heading to the starting line. Not too much water though, or it may count as an artificial performance enhancing aid.

djmcr

Would the rain not reduce body temperature producing same effect as hydration

TFBubendorfer

djmcr wrote: »

Would the rain not reduce body temperature producing same effect as hydration

Drinking water is not for reducing body temperature! It's to replace water lost through sweating.

Therefore, rain won't hydrate you, no, but it DOES reduce body temperature. Running in rain is easier than running in the heat.

ThePiedPiper

TFBubendorfer wrote: »

Drinking water is not for reducing body temperature! It's to replace water lost through sweating.

Therefore, rain won't hydrate you, no, but it DOES reduce body temperature. Running in rain is easier than running in the heat.

But, sweating is for reducing body temperature. If it's colder and raining, there's no way you'd sweat as much as if it's warm and humid so rain would mean that you're sweating less.

This thread is going in all sorts of directions. Bet the OP is wondering why he bothered asking the question in the first place!

Gringo78

Why are you looking to run 10k PB's in training? A 10k run at 10k pace wouldn't be part of most training plans, in fact if you were to do a 10k tempo run in training, it would normally be expected to be done maybe at Half Marathon pace or at least probably 10sec a mile slower than you would expect to be able to do in a race.

Are you training for a particular 10k race? If so, trying a run a training route flat out each week is not the best way to go about things and will likely lead to injuries, overtraining and underperformance at races. If you are trying to run a PB in training to gauge fitness because you rarely get to or want to run a race then thats ok, but you probably shouldn't be doing it more frequently than every couple of weeks.

Its generally a more efficient and injury free way of training to do intervals at 10k pace instead of longer runs i.e 4-6 x 1 mile at 10k pace with 2-4min jog recovery between reps. A weekly 3-6mile tempo run would be done at slower than 10k pace, more at 10m to HM pace.

T runner

RunForestRun wrote: »

But, sweating is for reducing body temperature. If it's colder and raining, there's no way you'd sweat as much as if it's warm and humid so rain would mean that you're sweating less.

This thread is going in all sorts of directions. Bet the OP is wondering why he bothered asking the question in the first place!

Youre sweating less because teh rain is doing the job for you instead of teh body. When you sweat more blood is sent to the area inside teh skin and water from this blood sweats out.

When rain cools you you need less sweat and therefore more blood can be used by the running muscles etc.

This is assuming its a warm day.

If its cold, rain is bad as youll need to use more energy to heat you up.