Videotape driving test?

Giruilla

Did a quick search on this but couldn't find anything.

Anybody know the legalities of video recording your driving test?
Like set up a camera or two so you could check for certain again whether the tester was right to fail you (if he/she did).

I doubt I'm the only person to have thought about this! Would it not be a sort of fair thing to do?

MonaghanPenguin

If you're recording the tester, I'd imagine you'd probably have to have their permission to do so. I would doubt they'd consent. I'd say your best bet is to focus that energy onto learning to pass rather than trying to catch out the tester.

desdman

Giruilla wrote: »

Did a quick search on this but couldn't find anything.

Anybody know the legalities of video recording your driving test?
Like set up a camera or two so you could check for certain again whether the tester was right to fail you (if he/she did).

I doubt I'm the only person to have thought about this! Would it not be a sort of fair thing to do?

Get someone you know to follow you during the test and have someone in the passenger side of that car videotaping you

Emperor Tomato Ketchup

I have casually considered this, though from the point of view of wanting to know why I failed rather than trying to argue the toss.

The practicalities of doing it properly though would be enourmous, you would actually need multiple cameras to focus on your, your pedals and the the different directions. Otherwise you're only getting a partial picture.

darragh o meara

Driving testers will not allow you to film any part of the test. I know a few driving instructors who have cameras fitted to their cars (Records inside and outside the car) and who let students use them for tests occasionally and in all cases the cameras have to either taken out or evidently turned off.

Reloc8

darragh o meara wrote: »

Driving testers will not allow you to film any part of the test.

Really does make you wonder what they're worried about.

And I'm one of the people who reckons if you drive acceptably you'll just pass, absent bad luck, in which case next time's the charm.

Giruilla

darragh o meara wrote: »

Driving testers will not allow you to film any part of the test. I know a few driving instructors who have cameras fitted to their cars (Records inside and outside the car) and who let students use them for tests occasionally and in all cases the cameras have to either taken out or evidently turned off.

Did you hear the official reason of why they wouldnt let students film the test?
I think it's fair enough that everyone makes mistakes and they don't want to be overly scrutinized, but when considering the large sums of money people pay to do a test, they deserve as fair a test as possible. At the moment, from hearing other peoples experience, my own, and reading the 'unsuccessful' thread, I can't help but feel the testers have to much autonomy. People feel genuinely robbed and want to contest decisions, but at the moment there is, in reality, no way to do this. The testers won't even explain where or what they marked you for! Thats an utterly bizarre rule when you are paying a whopping 85e for a test!

My experience was, did the test in finglas, went up and the tester said there'd be an inspector in the car too. I didn't care, did the test, thought it went ok, but he told me I failed with 7 blues and 1 red. The red was for observation changing lanes. I asked him one single question.. where did I get the red? He said he couldnt answer. One big reason I was p*ssed off with this is that for those of you who know the finglas route, you'd really struggle to find an occasion where you actually do change lanes! and on the route I took (we went nowhere near dcu area), I'm 100% convinced there was no occasion where I did change lanes. The only place I can think of, is the feeder lane turning right into finglas village from the finglas road, which you are not supposed to look over your shoulder on. Anyway, I did the test less than a week later, passed straight away with about 5 blues, but this time the tester sat me down and started going through my faults one by one, without any prompt from me! zero consistency.

so basically I had this thought that it would be great to get into the car to do the test, and say to the tester 'by the way hope you dont mind, but I've a camera set up in car that will be recording the test'. you could say this without really having a camera in the car. I just think it would put the tester on the back foot a bit, and give you the testee the benefit of the doubt on the contentious decisions that so many people seem to fail on.

dit guitar society

im fed up with the driving test,
even tho iv had 150 hours of lessons the last tester told me i was acting like a learner in the way i drived even tho he didnt mark me on any vehicle controls and 3 marks from passing,
and he argued about stopping at junctions wen i questioned him on why he gave me a mark
<SNIP>

Stonewolf

The moral of the story seems to be "don't do your test in Finglas". There are loads of test centers in Dublin and there is no requirement to do the test at your local one. I recommend Churchtown, passed first time when I did my bike test there and am going back again for the car even though I live in Santry.

whyulittle

Giruilla wrote: »

Anyway, I did the test less than a week later, passed straight away with about 5 blues, but this time the tester sat me down and started going through my faults one by one, without any prompt from me! zero consistency.

They don't pinpoint your faults when you fail. Think of all the arguements that would ensue.

Once you pass, you're not going to care what you faults were - you passed!

spurious

Stonewolf wrote: »

The moral of the story seems to be "don't do your test in Finglas". There are loads of test centers in Dublin and there is no requirement to do the test at your local one. I recommend Churchtown, passed first time when I did my bike test there and am going back again for the car even though I live in Santry.

By the same token, I failed six times in a row for all sorts of things in Raheny, passed first time in Finglas.
It's just the luck of the draw I think.

thesimpsons

Giruilla wrote: »

Anyway, I did the test less than a week later, passed straight away with about 5 blues,

.

I thought you had to have 3 weeks before you could resit the test.

I was accompanying driver for someone who did test last week. They had perfect record on test except one grade 2 for being too slow at a junction so speeded up a little at the next junction and got a grade 3. Its very hard to know what to do in a test when something like this occurs.

MascotDec85

thesimpsons wrote: »

I thought you had to have 3 weeks before you could resit the test.

I was accompanying driver for someone who did test last week. They had perfect record on test except one grade 2 for being too slow at a junction so speeded up a little at the next junction and got a grade 3. Its very hard to know what to do in a test when something like this occurs.

A common misconception.

I recently had a pupil who passed 13 days after failing

thesimpsons

MascotDec85 wrote: »

A common misconception.

I recently had a pupil who passed 13 days after failing

when we rang up for a new test date, they said had to wait 3 weeks but now I'm off first thing monday to try get a cancellation for her so. she's a very good driver, hence her very good test, even the tester said she was good (before he failed her :mad: ) but its costing me a fortune in petrol letting her practice and my poor car (and me ) is sick of having to go over more speed bumps and roundabouts than ever.

wonski

OP, how would you feel when your employer would place camera 10 inches from your head, to see how you are doing, and then discuss recording with you asking to explain every time your eyes were not on computer screen for example? How about school introducing camera recording during exams? How about, well, there are many cases where you wouldnt like to be recorded. Just pass the test like the rest, and move on.
Have to add that there are countries where driving test is recorded It probably has more to do with bribe prevention, than unfair testers.
Anyway, in case your appeal against tester is accepted, you will only get another test free of charge, so you still need to pass it. Good luck.

cosmic

spurious wrote: »

By the same token, I failed six times in a row for all sorts of things in Raheny, passed first time in Finglas.
It's just the luck of the draw I think.

You passed? Congratulations! Delighted to hear that. You really deserved it. I've checked in on the Successful thread every now and then but I obviously missed your post

johnmcdnl

wonski wrote: »

OP, how would you feel when your employer would place camera 10 inches from your head, to see how you are doing, and then discuss recording with you asking to explain every time your eyes were not on computer screen for example? How about school introducing camera recording during exams? How about, well, there are many cases where you wouldnt like to be recorded. Just pass the test like the rest, and move on.
Have to add that there are countries where driving test is recorded It probably has more to do with bribe prevention, than unfair testers.
Anyway, in case your appeal against tester is accepted, you will only get another test free of charge, so you still need to pass it. Good luck.

I'd have no problem with this at all... your paid to do a job and it's costing the OP a lot of money to do the test and maybe have to redo the test because of a tester who maybe is just being overly strict or whatever.... like someone else in the thread said.. if you get a grade 2 fault for coming too slow to a junction and the next one you go a wee bit faster and get a grade 3... surely you should be allowed question this....

if I'm doing a test and someone accuses me of cheating (not being fair in the tester's case) I'd love to have a camera to be able to defend myself... then at least I could point out why I did something and why I believed I was right... maybe even looking back you could see what you did wrong and see why the tester marked you down for it..

or you could find out that the tester has a bias against certain people... mehh who knows... you should be allowed record it if you want to... after all if the tester is doing their job right they have nothing to worry about right...

if my employer though I wasn't up to scratch and though I was being lazy and asked to put a camera at my desk to make sure I was working hard all day - well I'd accept it.. mightn't like it a lot but if I was working hard I'd have nothing to worry about... the only reason I can see where it'd be a problem for me is if I actually was being a lazy ****e and slacking off...

like I've said - if the tester is doing their job right they should have nothing to worry about

Giruilla

wonski wrote: »

OP, how would you feel when your employer would place camera 10 inches from your head, to see how you are doing, and then discuss recording with you asking to explain every time your eyes were not on computer screen for example?

Fine if I was doing a job where my judgment was directly costing other people time and money.

wonski wrote: »

How about school introducing camera recording during exams?

I don't see your point. You already are able to review your test in important exams like the leaving cert afterwards! In the driving test theres nothing!

wonski wrote: »

Just pass the test like the rest, and move on.

I did.

wonski wrote: »

Anyway, in case your appeal against tester is accepted, you will only get another test free of charge, so you still need to pass it.

Think your missing my point. Its not about a way to review the exams afterwards. I was just hypothesizing about taking the autonomy away from the testers a little. As I said, wouldn't even put a real camera in the car... just say to the testers, 'by the way there is a camera recording this'. It might make the testers think twice about scratching a blue mark down when in reality they weren't actually sure about it. If an examiner has an inspector in the car with him, there would be far worse consequences for the examiner to pass someone that probably should have just failed, than to fail someone that probably should have just passed. Its similar in football with the offside rule... linesmen are far more likely to give offside on a borderline decision that onside, due to the possible consequences.
Just think the current system is horrible in that people feel 'lucky' to have passed (ie got an ok tester) and then utterly 'helpless' when they fail after spending so much money and not knowing where they went wrong.

Tomebagel

dit guitar society wrote: »

im fed up with the driving test,
even tho iv had 150 hours of lessons the last tester told me i was acting like a learner in the way i drived even tho he didnt mark me on any vehicle controls and 3 marks from passing,
and he argued about stopping at junctions wen i questioned him on why he gave me a mark
<SNIP>

150 lessons......... and you still cant pass?

challengemaster

Tomebagel wrote: »

150 lessons......... and you still cant pass?

I'd love to be that instructor... 15+ grand from one person...

penney23

It is not illegal as you would be in your own car and it should be done to keep every1 honest!!!!

Alanstrainor

penney23 wrote: »

It is not illegal as you would be in your own car and it should be done to keep every1 honest!!!!

This thread is from 2011, it's generally best not to drag up older threads without good reason.