Fur is murder?

steddyeddy

Hey all I lived in the states for many years and over there I noticed that the wearing of fur by girls is a very dividing issue over there a lot of people wouldnt wear it for the percieved ethical issues attached. Im wondering does the same attitudes exist over here, even in some form? I would love to get some opinions?

ps. I worked in animal welfare in america thats why im asking as it is a area of interest to me!

wild_cat

I'm not sure if we have the same "slaughter" methods on Irish fur farms that you have in America (I think this is where the problem lies) but I do know that escaped mink from these farms is decimating some Irish animal populations.

There's nothing on the ARAN website about Irish fur farms at the moment as they are updating it.

steddyeddy

wild_cat wrote: »

I'm not sure if we have the same "slaughter" methods on Irish fur farms that you have in America (I think this is where the problem lies) but I do know that escaped mink from these farms is decimating some Irish animal populations.

There's nothing on the ARAN website about Irish fur farms at the moment as they are updating it.

ahhhhh Im not american lol! I think the slaughtering methods are pretty simular and I dont think the slaughtering methods are the only aspect people take issue with. Some people have issue with the fact that animals are farmed at all for their fur.

To give my opinion I dont think farming animals for their fur is needed in this day and age with advances in synthetics but I wouldnt be the type to protest over it and certainly not attack mink farms and release a load of mink which are indeed wreacking the irish ecosystem.

Penguin xd

i dont think we're into the whole "fur is murder" thing. I personally dont see the problem in it. We kill animals for food and for fun so why not for fur?

steddyeddy

Penguin xd wrote: »

i dont think we're into the whole "fur is murder" thing. I personally dont see the problem in it. We kill animals for food and for fun so why not for fur?

Well I think that the civilised societys have always tried to move away from the killing of animals be it entertainment, clothing or food. We need to eat we dont need to kill animals for clothing or entertainment. WE can make fake fur so we dont need to inflict suffering to achieve this.

Emme

There's no reason to make anything out of real fur - fake fur looks the very same, can be just as warm and isn't stinky (literally or ethically).

steddyeddy

Well to tell the truth I dont see a lot of girls in Ireland wearing fur anyway (unless at a rave or something) as opposed to a fair amount of american birds I know.

My point is the wearing of fur is strongly polarised in america.

Acoshla

I have a fur coat that is at least 40 years old, when I wear it I get almost 50/50 people that love it and hope that it's real fur and people that hate it. I got it for free, it's a family heirloom, it was already in existence for 40 years so I don't mind wearing it, but I think in this day and age there is absolutely no need for anything to be made from real fur. Tbh a lot of people think mine is fake because it looks the same as a lot of the new fake ones that were out last winter.

I think the majority of people here aren't as strongly upset about it as in the US, but to be fair Americans are pretty extreme about things they hate, moreso than us (religion, homosexuality, racism, etc).

Twee.

I own a couple of real fur and fake fur coats. Same way I own lots of leather and enjoy steak for my dinner!

But, I don't think I could ever purchase new fur. All mine is vintage/second hand/passed down. As mentioned above, we can create very high quality synthetic fur these days, so buying a brand new fur can be avoided with good quality outcomes. It is known that some animals who are used for modern fur are treated unbelievably bad. Same way I only try and eat free range chicken.

Second hand/vintage, I'm OK with. It's been dead a long time and if someone didn't wear it, it'd be in the bin.

So, I wear leather. Yes I do, new leather. It has superb qualities that I look for in clothing and accessories - warm, rain proof, long lasting, and finally it looks good.


The release of those minks was disgraceful. Poor animals have probably never lived outside the fur farm so I'd say a lot of them perished trying to survive in the wild. And then the effects on other wildlife.

jam_mac_jam

I dont like it, I know I eat meat, and wear leather but the animal is not killed for its skin for fur it is. I think it also looks a bit cheap, like you have to show that you have money by wearing it if that sounds weird. I dont like the image at all, very hookery in my head. At least in countries like Russia you need it for the cold so would not seem so bad but in Ireland its silly! It reminds me of old leathery Italian ladies, not nice.

Lia_lia

Penguin xd wrote: »

i dont think we're into the whole "fur is murder" thing. I personally dont see the problem in it. We kill animals for food

Yeah, see this I don't get. I know plenty of people who won't wear fur because they don't like the "idea" of wearing fur from a dead animal. But they don't seem to mind wearing leather? Or eat meat?


Anyway, I don't wear fur personally. My Grandmother has an AMAZING mink coat belonged to her Mother and came from London in the 1900's. My Mother or I have never been able to bring ourselves to wear it though. But then again we are both vegetarians

Acoshla

I only wear mine on cold winter days (I am a cold person in general so get a lot of wear in winter), I'm not going to roast myself just to show I own fur

There's a shop on the end of grafton street that sells fur, and quite often has small groups with signs/flyers/petitions outside it. So there is a "fur is murder" portion of the public in Ireland.

I do agree with jam_mac_jam though, even though it's meant to be a sign of money, I've always thought it looked dirt cheap. Kinda hookery. Difference between money and class etc. Don't like the look of it at all. Also there is the ethical side of things, so I wouldn't wear fur unless I was living in the wilderness and had just killed the animal for food myself. Which is unlikely to ever occur.

lil_tuts

thought of it turns my stomach if anyone has ever seen what they do to the animals the way they kill them it is horrific , Peta have videos showing how they do it , how the animals are treated... its no where near humane

lace

I've never watched any of the Peta videos. I can't even watch nature programmes as I find them too upsetting. But I do eat meat and have no problem with animal products such as leacher and suede, seeing as the cows are being killed for their meat anyway. Personally, I would never wear real fur because I think raising animals for the purposes of skinning and fashion is wrong. Saying that, I don't have a massive issue with other people choosing to. I think it's just a ridiculous waste of money and pretty disgusting.

Canis Lupus

lil_tuts wrote: »

thought of it turns my stomach if anyone has ever seen what they do to the animals the way they kill them it is horrific , Peta have videos showing how they do it , how the animals are treated... its no where near humane

PETA only show the most extreme videos they can find to further their cause and they can often simply be exceptions to the rule, I would take anything that PETA purport as 'fact' with a very large pinch of salt. (although saying that I'm still anti-fur when the animal in question is killed solely for it)

Azureus

Yeah, I have to say PETA are well known for embellishing stories to suit their agenda so I take their propoganda with a pinch of salt aswell.

That said, I agree with their general message and any cruelty to animals whether it be slaughter or unnecesary discomfort caused to animals by farming their fur is completely unwarranted. There are synthetics that are just as good if not better than real fur so there is just no need and it should be avoided at all costs.

A case can be made for actual for somewhere freezing like Russia, but somewhere with a mdoerate climate like Ireland it shouldnt even been up for discussion.

steddyeddy

Canis Lupus wrote: »

PETA only show the most extreme videos they can find to further their cause and they can often simply be exceptions to the rule, I would take anything that PETA purport as 'fact' with a very large pinch of salt. (although saying that I'm still anti-fur when the animal in question is killed solely for it)

This is true unfortunatly! Peta dont do themselves any favours!

steddyeddy

Azureus wrote: »

Yeah, I have to say PETA are well known for embellishing stories to suit their agenda so I take their propoganda with a pinch of salt aswell.

That said, I agree with their general message and any cruelty to animals whether it be slaughter or unnecesary discomfort caused to animals by farming their fur is completely unwarranted. There are synthetics that are just as good if not better than real fur so there is just no need and it should be avoided at all costs.

A case can be made for actual for somewhere freezing like Russia, but somewhere with a mdoerate climate like Ireland it shouldnt even been up for discussion.

I agree fur can be made artificially as can some types of leather so in the future there will be no need to kill animals soley to produce clothes.

degausserxo

lace wrote: »

But I do eat meat and have no problem with animal products such as leacher and suede, seeing as the cows are being killed for their meat anyway.

This. Although I think fur can be absolutely beautiful, the thought of skinning an animal (or numerous animals) for fashion is horrible.

Twee.

lace wrote: »

I've never watched any of the Peta videos. I can't even watch nature programmes as I find them too upsetting. But I do eat meat and have no problem with animal products such as leacher and suede, seeing as the cows are being killed for their meat anyway. Personally, I would never wear real fur because I think raising animals for the purposes of skinning and fashion is wrong. Saying that, I don't have a massive issue with other people choosing to. I think it's just a ridiculous waste of money and pretty disgusting.

Would you wear rabbit fur? People eat rabbit.

My aunt moved to NYC about 20 years ago, and she found the first winter very cold. She was looking in the window of a fur shop, contemplating. A lady came up to her, in a great New Yorker accent and said "Lady, if you ain't got fur, ya freeze!" :P She didn't end up getting one, but that's a favourite story of mine!

What's peoples' take on red painting buildings, and to an extreme, people wearing fur? If someone did that to me in my grandma's fur I'd just have to congratulate them on ruining the only physical memory of my dead grandma, cheers.

degausserxo

Twee. wrote: »

Would you wear rabbit fur? People eat rabbit.

Burberry have some gorgeous rabbit fur coats at the minute actually!

work4yreuro

Penguin xd wrote: »

i dont think we're into the whole "fur is murder" thing. I personally dont see the problem in it. We kill animals for food and for fun so why not for fur?

Feeling quite safe in your own home, are you? Easy not to think it's a problem when you're not the victim of exploitation and abuse. Educate yourself.

theg81der

I used to be a veggie but had to start eating meat becuase I couldn`t get enough protein, so I eat the bare minimum about twice a week. I don`t buy leather or products tested on animals - there is no need theres so many alternatives which are more pocket friendly anyway.

People who wear fur discust me, I can`t imagine what kind of person buys this. If I met someone who was wearing real fur I would turn my back and never speak to them again.

Twee.

work4yreuro wrote: »

Feeling quite safe in your own home, are you? Easy not to think it's a problem when you're not the victim of exploitation and abuse. Educate yourself.

Ok, this isn't meant to be a preaching thread. Attack the post not the poster.

Penguin xd

work4yreuro wrote: »

Feeling quite safe in your own home, are you? Easy not to think it's a problem when you're not the victim of exploitation and abuse. Educate yourself.

"Feeling quite safe in your own home, are you?" sounds a bit threatening, well trying to be anyway haha .... Sure theres nothing i can do about it so why worry???

Deediddums

To be fair, mass production of synthetic materials to replace natural materials such as fur etc is not exactly doing anything positive for the environment either. Many people will choose goose down puffa coats as an alternative but I can't say I have ever seen a bald goose either.

wildflower

i love fur, i dont actually own a fur coat- if only! my funds dont stretch im afraid, but iv tried on loads and iv been in that shop in dub and got so many insults walking out- i thought these people were supposed to be pro-peaceful living- in my opinion they wud savage a human nevermind an animal!
billions of animals are killed everyday so we can eat- including rabbits- my fav fur.unless u can say ur 100%vegan u have no business preaching to others who dont have a problem wearing bambi- different strokes!
until its banned in ireland u have no right to intimidate people into sharing ur view- its just ur view not law!

theg81der

Wildflower - why would you need to be vegan to see that killing an animal solely for its skin is wrong and unnecessarily cruel? Would you watch an animal being skinned, alive in a lot of cases? Would you do it yourself? Not trying to be gross genuinely curious, thats what I ask myself when it come to eating meat and for me I see it as the relevant factor. I want to understand the way you see it, what do you think about the animals?

Yeay recession if it means people who would wear fur can`t, long may it continue (well for the people who would wear fur obviously not me)! Every cloud really does have a silver lining.