Are there any "Old Catholics" in Ireland?

PatricaMcKay

Jansenism which was a now much slandered reform movement within the Roman Catholic Church but attracted people of the cailber of Racine and Pascal in its day apparently had a large following in Ireland but as far as I can work out Old Catholicism, or those RCs who refused to go along with [snip!] Vatican I, never had a following in Ireland and even now [snip!], still doesnt seem to have a following.

Does anyone know if there are actually any Old Catholic parishes in Ireland?

I know that there is a sedevacantist chapel in Donegal (for those who reject Vatitican II as heresy) and that strange character Bishop Buckley somewhere in the six counties but no Old Catholics it seems.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Catholic_Church

This post has been edited by a mod to conform with the Charter but to leave a valid question there.

Peregrinus

I don't think there were any post-Vatican I Old Catholics in Ireland.

Remember, at the time Catholicism had an important political and cultural role in Ireland in marking out an identity which was distinct from the British identity. From this point of view fidelity to/adherence to the Roman connection was one of the attractions of Catholicism - Rome provided a counterweight to Britain - so Irish Catholics weren't predisposed to object to this. There may well have been individual Irish Catholics who were unhappy about it, but they were not numerous enough, or organised enough, to form an "Old Catholic" movement.

Niall Sheridan

James Columba McFall was consecrated the first Old Catholic Bishop of Ireland on July 2nd, 1916 by Archbishop Mathew. He was an antiques dealer in Belfast by profession. He was still around in 1933, ordaining on December 21st. He worked in the UK quite a lot, apparently. I have written to the Belfast Telegraph and the Belfast Newsletter asking readers if they knew any further information, so far to meet with no success.

feargale

Try:


The Right Reverend Geoffrey S Robinson CJ SBStJ DD - CHANCELLOR
THE CHANCERY OFFICE 'OCCUK'
31 Hanover Street
North Valley
Colne
East Lancashire
BB8 9HD

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Thinkingaboutit

Peregrinus wrote: »

I don't think there were any post-Vatican I Old Catholics in Ireland.

Remember, at the time Catholicism had an important political and cultural role in Ireland in marking out an identity which was distinct from the British identity. From this point of view fidelity to/adherence to the Roman connection was one of the attractions of Catholicism - Rome provided a counterweight to Britain - so Irish Catholics weren't predisposed to object to this. There may well have been individual Irish Catholics who were unhappy about it, but they were not numerous enough, or organised enough, to form an "Old Catholic" movement.

Old Catholics rejected the definition of Papal Infallibility and other things besides at Vatican I. They combine a fairly traditional looking Mass (versus orientem, not sure about the Latin, Lutherans do at times have both, so it's not necessarily Catholic) with a highly liberal or left leaning attitude. They are mainly a Dutch and German church now. As answered, any Irish matters are dealt with from England. Like sedevacantists, I don't see them as having a narrative of how the Church is viably remade as they would have it.