Deal about Masadas?

ACUAirsofter

Can someone explain to me whats the deal with the Masada?
The only ones i've seen have been falling apart and for the price they are i wouldn't of expected it:)
Like you can get a much better weapon for half the price:)

NakedDex

Penny's do shoes, so do Prada. Both last a similar amount of time, both look similar.

Which one do you pay more for, and why?

StevieGriff

ACUAirsofter wrote: »

Can someone explain to me whats the deal with the Masada?
The only ones i've seen have been falling apart and for the price they are i wouldn't of expected it:)
Like you can get a much better weapon for half the price:)

Agree'd, you can get a steak knife for about 5 quid..airsoft are not weapons.:)

ACUAirsofter

StevieGriff wrote: »

Agree'd, you can get a steak knife for about 5 quid..airsoft are not weapons.:)

lol:P
You know what i mean:)

NakedDex wrote: »

Penny's do shoes, so do Prada. Both last a similar amount of time, both look similar.

Which one do you pay more for, and why?

PENNYS! Clearly:P

Harveey

I wouldn't go out and spend 500+ on an aeg unless I knew it was going to last and there was not going to be problems. A mate of mine has one and he's had problem after problem with his. I'm sure there are people who got one and hadn't had any problem with them at all, but I wouldn't be inclined to buy one not when I could get something reliable for half the price

NakedDex

Not the question.

Assume both articles are exactly the same, bar the brand name printed on them. What would make you want the Prada ones over Penny's?

Basically, it's desirable. That's the sole reason for it's huge price tag. It's a good rifle - better than you're giving it credit for - and it has some clever features, but the main reason for the price is the stamping of the word "Magpul" on the side.

As for a better rifle for half the price? Well, not really. Cheaper, sure, but it's a high end rifle with high end performance. It's closest rival, in terms of look and feel, is the SCAR, which can be had cheaper for certain. M4's are also a big contender for it's market, also cheaper but you're still looking at €350.
As good as a G&G Raider or a Cyma AK are as budget guns, if you're looking at Masada prices, you're looking at a whole other level of gun.

ACUAirsofter

NakedDex wrote: »

Not the question.

Assume both articles are exactly the same, bar the brand name printed on them. What would make you want the Prada ones over Penny's?

Basically, it's desirable. That's the sole reason for it's huge price tag. It's a good rifle - better than you're giving it credit for - and it has some clever features, but the main reason for the price is the stamping of the word "Magpul" on the side.

As for a better rifle for half the price? Well, not really. Cheaper, sure, but it's a high end rifle with high end performance. It's closest rival, in terms of look and feel, is the SCAR, which can be had cheaper for certain. M4's are also a big contender for it's market, also cheaper but you're still looking at €350.
As good as a G&G Raider or a Cyma AK are as budget guns, if you're looking at Masada prices, you're looking at a whole other level of gun.

I agree totally with the brand and the fact that its has Magpul, iit has many clever features but i just dont see the justificatin of it:)

thermo

ACUAirsofter wrote: »

iit has many clever features but i just dont see the justificatin of it:)

12 month warrenty if you leave it "stock"

bullets

I've Zero Magpull stuff in the collection but still wanted to get a masada as when I picked one up found it very comfortable and it felt very light
with a nice balance.

For people starting out in the sport and they buy a gun.
They soon ask what do I upgrade to get better range and accuracy!
and the first thing people say to them is to change the Hop up
and put in a Tightbore

For a lot of people at first the thoughts of opening up their gun may
be daunting they may not feel confident to strip down an AEG to
access and remove and change the hop up and inner barrel.
(or may be stingy and dont want to pay someone to do it for them)

I liked the idea on the Masada of being to whip out the barrel and change it and the hopup easily without needing to strip it down fully. Just by taking off the handguard and with a flick and a twist without any tools you can access the inner barrel and hopup. Perfect for a Newbie and ya dont even need a screwdriver!

~B

ronan keane

bullets wrote: »

I've Zero Magpull stuff in the collection but still wanted to get a masada as when I picked one up found it very comfortable and it felt very light
with a nice balance.

For people starting out in the sport and they buy a gun.
They soon ask what do I upgrade to get better range and accuracy!
and the first thing people say to them is to change the Hop up
and put in a Tightbore

For a lot of people at first the thoughts of opening up their gun may
be daunting they may not feel confident to strip down an AEG to
access and remove and change the hop up and inner barrel.
(or may be stingy and dont want to pay someone to do it for them)

I liked the idea on the Masada of being to whip out the barrel and change it and the hopup easily without needing to strip it down fully. Just by taking off the handguard and with a flick and a twist without any tools you can access the inner barrel and hopup. Perfect for a Newbie and ya dont even need a screwdriver!

~B

Bullets I took you advice on Opening the gearbox started on monday head it put back together on tuesday..... :P

bullets

ronan keane wrote: »

Bullets I took you advice on Opening the gearbox started on monday head it put back together on tuesday..... :P

I took apart my Scar and must have done something wrong at the time but
it could not get it working so ended up giving away a complete gun (in about 100 pieces) to a friend who only wanted to see how a gear box worked.

My second attempt was to investigate same issue you had, my MP5 would fire on auto when the selector was on semi, and it fired very slow. This worked out better but when putting it back together the back of the trigger snapped and I could not attach the spring that the holds the trigger tension.

My 3rd attempt was my Classic Army AUG which locked up.
Managed to get gear box out and tried to release the anti reversal latch
but ended up destroying the latch spring. Ordered a new set of springs and
greased and shimmed the gearbox and everything went back together without issue. (I was well chuffed with myself)

4th attempt was my SA-58. Locked up and stopped firing mid game.
Piston had its teeth stripped, piston head came off, screws and shards of plastic everywhere. Gear box was not a problem fixing but getting the gun backtogether again was a nightmare as the wireing and space between parts ment the insulation of the wires kept getting stripped no matter what way I adjusted them. Finally got it back together again.

I've 2-3 more AEG's that mis-behave that are on the to-do list so thinking of making them project guns.


~B

Arkslippy

bullets wrote: »

I took apart my Scar and must have done something wrong at the time but
it could not get it working so ended up giving away a complete gun (in about 100 pieces) to a friend who only wanted to see how a gear box worked.

My second attempt was to investigate same issue you had, my MP5 would fire on auto when the selector was on semi, and it fired very slow. This worked out better but when putting it back together the back of the trigger snapped and I could not attach the spring that the holds the trigger tension.

My 3rd attempt was my Classic Army AUG which locked up.
Managed to get gear box out and tried to release the anti reversal latch
but ended up destroying the latch spring. Ordered a new set of springs and
greased and shimmed the gearbox and everything went back together without issue. (I was well chuffed with myself)

4th attempt was my SA-58. Locked up and stopped firing mid game.
Piston had its teeth stripped, piston head came off, screws and shards of plastic everywhere. Gear box was not a problem fixing but getting the gun backtogether again was a nightmare as the wireing and space between parts ment the insulation of the wires kept getting stripped no matter what way I adjusted them. Finally got it back together again.

I've 2-3 more AEG's that mis-behave that are on the to-do list so thinking of making them project guns.


~B

I bet when you put together flatpack furniture you get bits left over !!!!!

ACUAirsofter

I'd never want to touch an AEG gearbox till I get a broken gearbox to mess about with, I've been told that the gun will get worse with each gearbox mass about so unless your improving I'll be staying away from it:)

@Bullets do any of your AEGS that you messed with work again??

Inari

If a gun is broken, it's in need of fixing. If it's in need of fixing, and you're confident you won't lose any parts, then it's worth having a go. Just don't be pig-headed. Search online for take-down guides, and avoid going too far too quick. Take it slow, and remember that with anything mechanical, patience is not a virtue...it's a requirement!

But yes, I definitely agree - no sense opening them unless they need opening.

On topic: The ARES Masada is an excellent replica, and is 1:1 (as far as I am aware at least) to the Magpul Masada, something that the A&K cannot claim. It is very costly due to ARES being quite a high end gun in the first place (e.g. Tavor price tag was upwards of €400), then slap on the licensing fees from Magpul which they in turn pass on to you. Also, since they're offering 1 year's warranty, they have to factor a certain amount of returns into their pricing.

If you leave it well enough alone, and don't go crazy with it, you will get a minimum of 1 year out of it. Why? Simply put, because they have guaranteed it for 1 year. If you go messing with its internals, you are using the gun outside of its design parameters and unless properly done, can cause problems which make them breakdown.

bullets

ACUAirsofter wrote: »

I'd never want to touch an AEG gearbox till I get a broken gearbox to mess about with, I've been told that the gun will get worse with each gearbox mass about so unless your improving I'll be staying away from it:)

@Bullets do any of your AEGS that you messed with work again??

I cant see a gun getting worse with each opening of the gear box, if anything it will be better
with the owner learning each time.

If your gun is old, or sitting about for a while, the grease can harden and get crusty (I've seen this on my own)
the lubrication is gone, Much better to lube up the internals, adjust the shims etc even if you know very little about
shimming (like myself) a slight modification with less play on the gears is better than none.

I dont go poking unless I specifically want to change something or it breaks,
But getting bored with too many guns these days so not afraid to poke about and experiment. Have a Dboys M4A1 that I am going to play with soon. I reckon it was drilled or downgraded oddly when I bought it from an Irish retailer as its fps readings
are totally inconsistent so it will make a perfect Pet project gun as soon as I open it. I may even make it look prettier.

CA AUG working perfectly now!
SA-58 working perfectly and currently skirmishing with this AEG.
MP5 it fires fine but never sorted the full auto on semi issue.
SCAR parts gave them away never to be seen again unless I appear as an Indian giver to my friend and ask for them back. It was a JLS piece of crap anyway.

~B

MerryDespot

Inari wrote: »

If you leave it well enough alone, and don't go crazy with it, you will get a minimum of 1 year out of it. Why? Simply put, because they have guaranteed it for 1 year. If you go messing with its internals, you are using the gun outside of its design parameters and unless properly done, can cause problems which make them breakdown.

I've had mine now since they came out over here last autumn - it's been my primary or secondary at every single skirmish since then (I don't always use it, but it's always in the car and usually gets chrono'd at the very least at every site).

I haven't touched the internals apart from fitting a 1j spring (which even a numpty like me can manage), but this can be done as a quick change so you're not breaking open the gearbox. It's been absolutely rock solid consistent since I got it - fires at 315fps and hits the same range every time.

That said - I have issues with it. The hop unit really only has two settings - off or 100% on. Hop only starts to work when fully on - gives a nice flat trajectory and range is great - but there's no scope to dial it back slightly or to 'over dial' the hop - it just goes a set range with full hop and that's it. That's the main one - I've other little niggles, but then I have with every aeg.

The only lads I've spoken to who've had issues with these are those who could not resist the urge to 'fix' their masada by doing some internal mods (hop change, new super uber fast motor seem to be the two main ones).