1911 brand options

dinko4gr

Im after a 1911 and im going for brand new. So far my top 2 choises are these:

SOCOM GEAR 1911 DESERT COMBAT ELITE, FULL METAL:
http://airsoftguns.ie/airsoft-pistols-gbb/26-socom-gear-1911-desert-combat-elite.html

WE M.E.U. Full Metal Airsoft GBB Pistol - Tan
http://sgairsoft.biz/siteapps/25121/htdocs/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=3&category_id=7&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=54

Any experience/suggestion/remarks on which is "the best". To clarify "the best" cause its open to different interpretation , i mean easy maintenance, durable, good range and accuracy (didnt do a good job with clarification heh? ). I m also open to other brands as well if anyone has a "special" love for one. Price is not that important as long as its within reason.

Firekitten

if you want an efficient and highly accurate /reliable modern 1911, or '2011' as they are known, I'd recomend the TM MEU personally... impressive range and unstopable reliability.

Do be aware that the socomgear IS the WE combat elite, just with licenced trademarks. Only difference.

dinko4gr

Firekitten wrote: »

if you want an efficient and highly accurate /reliable modern 1911, or '2011' as they are known, I'd recomend the TM MEU personally... impressive range and unstopable reliability.

Do be aware that the socomgear IS the WE combat elite, just with licenced trademarks. Only difference.

my only issue with that is that no Irish retailer imports those on a regular basis and im not sure if importing one myself is a wise thing to do

Firekitten

This one?

http://www.airsofteire.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=shop.flypage&product_id=321&category_id=21&manufacturer_id=0&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=26


Anyway, personal imports are still absolutely fine.

NakedDex

If you don't mind the more classic look, the KJ Works CO2 1911 is fantastic. Reliable in all conditions and has a recoil that would put a smile on even the most sceptical face.
I'm personally not a 1911 fan at all, but that version is about the only one I'd really fall for (despite having a Kimber).

The only caveats being CO2 mags are a tad harder to get hold of (though a retailer can order them easily, and ehobby usually have them now) and they need more regular lubrication, but servicing a 1911 is child's play.

dinko4gr

190 euro for the gun + 38 for a second mag + 14 for posting is a tad too much i think. its nearly 100 euro more expensive than the other 2 options and tbh for that price id rather go into maschine guns drive-by style

I dont wonna be cheap but i recently bought pretty much a full setup as in GR15-L Raider+scope+smart charger+foregrip/bipod+flash, tactical wear+helmet+google, modular vest, a nice collection of hi/mid caps for the raider, a KJW M700 (scope+2 spare mags included) from boards ( Cheers Dave i freaking love it , even the wife shot a few rounds with it and she was amazed with the paint job thus no nag ), holster for 1911 (serpa clone).

Having said that i think currently the TM is a bit too pricey for my taste.

FK since you seem to know a whole lot bout the sport what weight BBs would you suggest for the 1911? ( keep in mind unless someone suggests something that i like more and at a reasonable price im going with the WE most likely due to looks)

dinko4gr

NakedDex wrote: »

If you don't mind the more classic look, the KJ Works CO2 1911 is fantastic. Reliable in all conditions and has a recoil that would put a smile on even the most sceptical face.
I'm personally not a 1911 fan at all, but that version is about the only one I'd really fall for (despite having a Kimber).

The only caveats being CO2 mags are a tad harder to get hold of (though a retailer can order them easily, and ehobby usually have them now) and they need more regular lubrication, but servicing a 1911 is child's play.

Naked i got heavily spanked by the guys over at SG when asked bout a CO2 version. Their arguments were that they are over the 1J (and i dont want to buy a pistol and downgrade it to be able to use it in a CQB) and that they tend to present more issues if not maintained very regulary ( unlike the gas version ).

Firekitten

If you bought it from the UK, it would be around £120-30, plus 25 for a mag... 170€ posted? simples.

mm, bb weight, I run a minimum of .25s in all gbb pistols, helps give them a bit more accuracy and range.

Then again, i use .25s minimum in anything...

I've used upto .36s in my pistols, and lost very little range due to thier general engagement ranges... helps the single shots get noticed more, and maintains far greater accuracy.

.25s are pretty much grand.

dinko4gr

could you suggest a decent and reliable UK e-retailer? as im new to the sport i only have limited experience and thats with Irish only.

Then again, i use .25s minimum in anything...

Does that include AEGs with blowback ?

Firekitten

I don't run any blowback aegs, but it would make no difference really. My guns vary from 1j, 300, to 350, i use .25s in all.

UK retailers...

Google:
Firesupport
Landwarrior
Airsoft World

Those are my big three, reliable, efficient, and excelent pricing.
Typically if you cant find something, Firesupport have it. Thier shop is like an airosft cave.

NakedDex

Over 1J? Bull. I've chrono'd dozens and they all came in under. The "CO2 pistols am overpowered" argument is a fallacy. Some are, but most are not. The vast majority of those that are, are NBB's and revolvers.
They don't give issues any more than any other GBB would without maintenance. Basic lubrication and care is all they need. Lubrication should be regular anyway, regardless of pistol choice.
The only difference is that it should be a tad more frequent as CO2 is dry. Instead of every ten mags fired, do it every seven, for example. But the pistol won't catastrophically fail if you forget and put a couple more mags through it.

There's a lot of bad information about pistols doing the rounds. I've heard all kinds of ridiculous stories. I'd love to hear where these people get such magical myths.
If we were to believe all of these stories, we'd all be throwing ammo at each other instead of firing it.

Firekitten

In this climate, what is over 1j in japan with any gas, wont be the same here... it will be far lower. Its why TM say only 134a... there, thats 1j performance. See the comparison?

soupyr

i would go with the first 1

NakedDex

Ambient temperature, air pressure, height above sea level, gas used, impurities, seal integretiy, valve type, valve size, pistol type, pistol efficiency, blowback/non blowback, single action/double action loading, metal/plastic slide, lubrication, barrel diameter, ammunition diameter, etc etc.

I could actually keep going. These are just some of the things that people completely ignore when it comes to claiming the power of a gas pistol. It's actually true of bolt action rifles and AEG's too.
I'd take any claim of "oh you can't have that, that's over 1J" on a pistol with a serious pinch of salt without some serious researching the product yourself. Often people will, as FK alluded to, claim that something is overpowered because they read the power rating on a Japanese retailer/manufacturer site. Over there, due to some of the above reasons, you can get very close to 1J with 134A. Here, some pistols struggle to get 1J with Green. Some others don't even consistently manage it with CO2 (I'm looking at you, KWA Desert Eagle...).

Zen 2nd

dinko4gr wrote: »

Im after a 1911 and im going for brand new. So far my top 2 choises are these:

SOCOM GEAR 1911 DESERT COMBAT ELITE, FULL METAL

WE M.E.U. Full Metal Airsoft GBB Pistol - Tan

Firekitten wrote: »

if you want an efficient and highly accurate /reliable modern 1911, or '2011' as they are known, I'd recomend the TM MEU personally... impressive range and unstopable reliability.

I have both the WE Full Metal and the TM MEU and would choose the TM. Basically I'll reinforce what FK said, it has "impressive range and unstopable reliability".