Fined by the Junior Dean

Peleus

Hey, just had a meeting with one of the Junior Dean's assistants and they've fined my €50. Here's the situation:

My older brother has been using the libraries in Trinity to study for accountancy exams for the last month or two. He's a graduate from 2010 and has a reader's card from the library so he's entitled to be in there.

Basically last Saturday, he wanted to use the 24 hour study room so he took my student card (I was away) to get in and out and he was caught by security guards who were in there looking for LC students.

Now they gave me the fine on the assumption that he was a LC student using the libraries without permission, and not a graduate with a readers card.

So, does anyone know... does a readers card allow you to use the 24h study room? and is there a point in appealing this? anyone ever appealed a fine like this before? Thanks for the help!!! ..crusty old dean...

deconduo

Just get your brother to pay the fine, its his fault :P

Pet

Explain your situation, but realise that they take a dim view of loaning student cards and the like, so it's probably not worth it to appeal. And get your brother to pay the fine!

lucernarian

The eejit of a brother should have hid the student card and used the reader's card and said he walked in behind some other students if he were asked how he entered. I suppose you should get him to pay the €50.

Gae

Peleus wrote: »

So, does anyone know... does a readers card allow you to use the 24h study room? and is there a point in appealing this? anyone ever appealed a fine like this before? Thanks for the help!!! ..crusty old dean...

No. The readers card is so that your brother can use the Trinity library to access books he might not be able to find elsewhere. It is not so that he has somewhere quiet to study. The 24 study space is a facility for students only. Your brother was wrong to use it, and you were wrong to give him your card. Admit you were wrong and pay the fine.

goingnowhere

Giving your ID card to anyone else is a disciplinary matter

The readers card gives permission solely to consult material inside the library, it is not a license to abuse the system

You got caught out, pay the fine, chances are if you had been a little more apologetic in the meeting you might have got a smaller fine

lucernarian

goingnowhere wrote: »

Giving your ID card to anyone else is a disciplinary matter

The readers card gives permission solely to consult material inside the library, it is not a license to abuse the system

You got caught out, pay the fine, chances are if you had been a little more apologetic in the meeting you might have got a smaller fine

How do you know how apologetic the OP was in that meeting?! That's quite the conclusion to draw...

StrawberryJazz

Why would LC Students go out of there way to sit in our cramped library when the national library is on Kildare street???

Maybe we should leave them a note...

Larianne

StrawberryJazz wrote: »

Why would LC Students go out of there way to sit in our cramped library when the national library is on Kildare street???

Maybe we should leave them a note...

It's a 24 hour library.

Gae

Larianne wrote: »

It's a 24 hour library.

No it isn't. It's a library with a separate 24 hour study space.

Unshelved

Originally Posted by Larianne View Post
It's a 24 hour library.
No it isn't. It's a library with a separate 24 hour study space.

A 24-hour study space for Trinity Students ONLY. You should not have let your brother utilise your card so that he could circumvent the rules and use the 24-hour study space. Your fine is, I'm afraid, justified. In addition to your fine, you could have been excluded from the Library for up to four weeks - so it could have been worse.

lucernarian

Being excluded from the library would be a strange exercise to carry out. Hindering one's academic progress in a place of learning as a means of discpline makes much less sense to me than a straightforward financial punishment. I'm not saying it is definitely wrong to have its existence as a punishment but it's not one I'd ever use if I were hypothetically in charge of student discpline.

Bueller

50 snots? For that? Christ

Peleus

OP here, cheers for the replies. Firstly, i wont be paying the fine. Secondly, I was apologetic in the meeting but she literally gave me the fine the second i sat down. She then goes "So your brother is a Leaving Cert student then?" so when i explained that he was a graduate with a readers card she was like "Oh, well its a pity we didn't know that." You'd think they'd get the full story before administering a fine.

IIRC she said that I could lodge an appeal on those grounds but it'd be very rare to get the €50 base fine waived. I talked to my brother and he wants to appeal it, so I think we're gonna try our luck. Whats the worst that could happen?? I'll let you know how it goes.

Denerick

I love the way all the crypto fascists emerge from the woodwork when they hear of something like this. Big bloody deal.

Degsy

Peleus wrote: »

OP here, cheers for the replies. Firstly, i wont be paying the fine. .

Peleus wrote: »

Whats the worst that could happen??

You wont be allowed to graduate and you've wasted your time in college.

goingnowhere

Won't be allowed to live on campus either if you have outstanding fines or had committed a serious offense previously

Taking responsibility for ones actions is core to the formation process upon which Trinity prides itself, after all you do not graduate, you commence...

NeuroCat

Quote:
Originally Posted by Peleus View Post
OP here, cheers for the replies. Firstly, i wont be paying the fine. .

Quote:
Originally Posted by Peleus View Post
Whats the worst that could happen??
You wont be allowed to graduate and you've wasted your time in college.

I gathered from the statement that he made that it wouldn't be him paying the fine but rather his brother and not that neither of them would be paying the fine.