Business as an Arts Subject. HELP!

sarah.

Is the Business as part of the Arts degree recognised for teaching? And if not would doing economics qualify me to be a Business teacher? I'm so confused!

karaokeman

Yes you can pick Business Studies as part of an Arts degree.

See my link;

http://www.nuim.ie/courses/?Target=QS&Mode=VIEW&QUALIFICATION_CODE=ARTS&YEAR=2012&TARGET_SOURCE=CS&KEYWORD=arts

Regarding teaching, I am not 100% sure as I'm not planning on doing teaching so I haven't really researched it. But I know Arts graduates usually have fairly good qualifications for getting into teaching.

You would need to do Business for three years with 1 or 2 other subjects and do a hDip after that. I think a hDip is kind of like a postgrad so it would be quite handy on top of the Arts degree.

The University Day is on 25th June, so maybe you could ask the business lecturers on the day and you could get more info.

Hope I've helped I'm planning to do Arts with Psychology/English/Sociology.

Seren_

Actually, I think I remember reading that studying Business through Arts isn't recognised for teaching. Email the Admissions office or the business department just to make sure. (Admissions email is admissions@nuim.ie and you'll find the business dept one on the NUIM website).

With regards economics, I doubt you'd be able to teach business with a degree in it.

keithconnolly

Currently the Business through arts is not recognised by the teaching council as it is relitively new less that 3 years , they are hoping to have it sucessfully passed by end of year ,can't see any reason why I wont be.

ArtSmart

sarah. wrote: »

Is the Business as part of the Arts degree recognised for teaching? And if not would doing economics qualify me to be a Business teacher? I'm so confused!

the approved list of course and providers for post primary is on the teaching council website, home page.

dont think it's there but perhaps it will be. suggest you email the teaching council (dont phone, waste of time usually. )

shygal

Id do business just to sit in one of john cullens OB lectures ,the guy is just so funny and a little crazy

UnLuckyAgain

sarah. wrote: »

Is the Business as part of the Arts degree recognised for teaching? And if not would doing economics qualify me to be a Business teacher? I'm so confused!

As its a new subject, it may not have been accredited yet - your best bet is to email the Teaching Council and ask them what the status of it is (they could be in the process of examining it). I would imagine that by the time you finish your degree, it will be eligible for teaching purposes.

As for economics, taking it to degree level (all 3 years) allows you to teach LC economics and also JC business studies. Not Business for LC though. I'm doing it as part of my H.dip starting this year.

sarah.

Oh thank you all, I have e-mailed the admissions office and am going to e-mail the Teaching Council now! Anyone doing arts in Maynooth at the moment, what do you all think of it? Especially Business, Economics or Geography? Oh and what is your general impression of Maynooth? Thanks again for your help!

UnLuckyAgain

sarah. wrote: »

Oh thank you all, I have e-mailed the admissions office and am going to e-mail the Teaching Council now! Anyone doing arts in Maynooth at the moment, what do you all think of it? Especially Business, Economics or Geography? Oh and what is your general impression of Maynooth? Thanks again for your help!

If you did Economics for the Leaving Cert, first year will be a doddle. Second year gets more complicated naturally but you have the chance to choose a lot of your own modules so you can play to your strengths and get to study some really interesting areas of economics.

sarah.

UnLuckyAgain wrote: »

If you did Economics for the Leaving Cert, first year will be a doddle. Second year gets more complicated naturally but you have the chance to choose a lot of your own modules so you can play to your strengths and get to study some really interesting areas of economics.

Do you think it would be OK if I hadn't done it for Leaving Cert.?

UnLuckyAgain

sarah. wrote: »

Do you think it would be OK if I hadn't done it for Leaving Cert.?

Absolutely! The class is always made up of a mix of those who had done it for the LC but the course assumes no previous knowledge so you start with the basics, from the beginning.

I was just making the point that those who had done it for the LC have a fairly easy ride through first year in NUIM, as the course is mainly just a repeat of the LC syllabus.

sarah.

UnLuckyAgain wrote: »

Absolutely! The class is always made up of a mix of those who had done it for the LC but the course assumes no previous knowledge so you start with the basics, from the beginning.

I was just making the point that those who had done it for the LC have a fairly easy ride through first year in NUIM, as the course is mainly just a repeat of the LC syllabus.

Oh right, that's good to know! And ya I would have loved to have covered the Leaving Cert. course but it wasn't offered in my school! Oh well will just work at it next year and hopefully all will go well! Thanks!

sarah.

Just got a reply from the teachers council and apparently they have refused Business recognition!! Really f**ked me up now, as if I do it I will have to get an independent assessment done at the end of the 3 years and possibly have to do another course, or so I've been told! Ugh this CAO thing is bad enough without all of this extra stuff on top!

UnLuckyAgain

sarah. wrote: »

Just got a reply from the teachers council and apparently they have refused Business recognition!! Really f**ked me up now, as if I do it I will have to get an independent assessment done at the end of the 3 years and possibly have to do another course, or so I've been told! Ugh this CAO thing is bad enough without all of this extra stuff on top!

Sorry to hear that, as far as I know the independent assessment is costly too.

I would say they are refusing recognition based on the entry system to the PGDE programme. You need a certain amount of 'points' to get in based on your degree, but business/finance/commerce (etc) degrees need much much higher points due to a quota system put in place in response to an oversupply of business teachers. If Business was recognised through Arts, then potential teachers would not need the higher points to gain entry to the PGDE as their degree would technically be an Arts degree (MH101 in Maynooth's case).

That's just my reasoning though.

sarah.

UnLuckyAgain wrote: »

Sorry to hear that, as far as I know the independent assessment is costly too.

I would say they are refusing recognition based on the entry system to the PGDE programme. You need a certain amount of 'points' to get in based on your degree, but business/finance/commerce (etc) degrees need much much higher points due to a quota system put in place in response to an oversupply of business teachers. If Business was recognised through Arts, then potential teachers would not need the higher points to gain entry to the PGDE as their degree would technically be an Arts degree (MH101 in Maynooth's case).

That's just my reasoning though.

Oh right, oh well! Back to the drawing board, haha just noticed your name is highly suitable!

davegriff11

Hi all.

I just got forms back from the teaching council. enquired about Economics and Business to teach Post Primary. I qualify to teach Business but not Economics (35 credits short). Im currently working in IT.

Is the demand big enough for someone who can only teach Business or would i need an extra subject to have any hope of getting anything?

Any help will be very much appreciated from anyone.

Seren_

davegriff11 wrote: »

Hi all.

I just got forms back from the teaching council. enquired about Economics and Business to teach Post Primary. I qualify to teach Business but not Economics (35 credits short). Im currently working in IT.

Is the demand big enough for someone who can only teach Business or would i need an extra subject to have any hope of getting anything?

Any help will be very much appreciated from anyone.

It might be a good idea to ask this question over in the Teaching & Lecturing forum. The posters over there should be well able to help you out

davegriff11

ok thanks for that.
new to boards!