Downgrading info needed

Gun Shy

Gybergun p226 X Five, not available in Ireland because of 1.1j.
So would be interested in purchasing overseas and getting it officially/legally imported, if I could get it downgraded to <1j.
Anyone info or advice from someone with experience of having done this with a previous gun but more especially advice on this model would be great.
As a last resort I would consider looking to get it licenced as a 1.1j but would prefer to downgrade if possible. I'm not interested in other versions of the p226.
Thanks

cobra 08

Is it not illegal to import it over the Jl even if you are going to down grade it. Becareful as it might get seized by customs and destroyed:eek:

Inari

No license will cover the ownership of an overpowered airsoft device. Once it goes over power it is designated as an illegal firearm, and cannot be governed by licenses. Real Steel licenses are bound by serial numbers etc, which airsoft guns don't have.

Leftyflip

It must be downgraded at source, no if's, but's or maybes.
And they're hoo-ers to downgrade - it can be done, but it's not reliable.

NakedDex

The X Five version of the P226 by Cybergun is a BB pistol in the literal sense. It fires at 330-350fps, but it does so with steel rounds. It's a firearm, not airsoft.

Gun Shy

"Is it not illegal to import it over the Jl even if you are going to down grade it"

When I said officially/legally imported I mean via a DoJ importation cert to a firearms dealer.

"No license will cover the ownership of an overpowered airsoft device. Once it goes over power it is designated as an illegal firearm, and cannot be governed by licenses. Real Steel licenses are bound by serial numbers etc, which airsoft guns don't have."

Not illegal it's now just a firearm which may be licenced subject to application approval etc.
Serial number issue covered under the law as the super can prescribe a serial number to to marked on the firearm ie. An airsoft >1j. Know a guy with a real steel with his date of birth as his serial number. I'm on an iPhone so can't dig up the legislation but it's there trust me.

Gun Shy

Leftyflip wrote: »

It must be downgraded at source, no if's, but's or maybes.
And they're hoo-ers to downgrade - it can be done, but it's not reliable.

Apologies Leftyflip didn't mean to quote you my reply was for nakeddex. Thanks for reply

NakedDex
The X Five version of the P226 by Cybergun is a BB pistol in the literal sense. It fires at 330-350fps, but it does so with steel rounds. It's a firearm, not airsof

My reply (apologies didn't get the quoting right)
Comes in both cals 4.5 steel BB's AND 6mm airsoft version.
It is a bit confusing on the cybergun site because the airgun catalogue is separate and only lists the 4.5 version but if you look at the catalogue under it you will find the airsoft 6mm version listed.

Gun Shy

Gun Shy wrote: »

Apologies Leftyflip didn't mean to quote you my reply was for nakeddex. Thanks for reply

NakedDex
The X Five version of the P226 by Cybergun is a BB pistol in the literal sense. It fires at 330-350fps, but it does so with steel rounds. It's a firearm, not airsof

My reply (apologies didn't get the quoting right)
Comes in both cals 4.5 steel BB's AND 6mm airsoft version.
It is a bit confusing on the cybergun site because the airgun catalogue is separate and only lists the 4.5 version but if you look at the catalogue under it you will find the airsoft 6mm version listed.

And just to clarify it's the 6mm version I'm after

NakedDex

I've only ever seen the .177 cal listed.

Regardless, any downgrading has to be done at source, and 99% of retailers wouldn't even entertain your thoughts on downgrading a gas pistol. It's the unfortunate way of things; if it's over on CO2, you'll have to find an alternate on green.

bullets

If ya want a P226 hassle free just go out and buy a perfectly legal 6mm one from an Irish retailer or ask them to get you one. KJW do a lovely P226 GBB thats under 1j and works on 134a and Green Gas legally and fires standard 6mm Plastic BB's No license needed!

I've handled both a real P226 and the airsoft version and the airsoft version is a very very close copy to the real thing, so much so that it could be hard to
tell the difference.

Plain and simple I cant see any over the limit airsoft device being
licensed here in Ireland at present
(sure "in theory" its possible but in practice I don't think so)
There is also a Pistol Ban in Ireland subject to severe severe severe restrictions for real firearms, so even if you were to attempt to get one
over the 1j limit and try and license, you will be subject to needing a membership to gun club (5-600 Euro!) Monitored Phone watch alarms in your house (thousands) Gun safe (300 Euro) Plus for most pistols they are not even issuing new licenses full stop (apart from Olympic ones and people that may have had a license circa 2008)

Much less hassle buying a standard P226 for under 200 Smackers! :-)

~B

Gun Shy

bullets wrote: »

If ya want a P226 hassle free just go out and buy a perfectly legal 6mm one from an Irish retailer or ask them to get you one. KJW do a lovely P226 GBB thats under 1j and works on 134a and Green Gas legally and fires standard 6mm Plastic BB's No license needed!

I've handled both a real P226 and the airsoft version and the airsoft version is a very very close copy to the real thing, so much so that it could be hard to
tell the difference.

Plain and simple I cant see any over the limit airsoft device being
licensed here in Ireland at present
(sure "in theory" its possible but in practice I don't think so)
There is also a Pistol Ban in Ireland subject to severe severe severe restrictions for real firearms, so even if you were to attempt to get one
over the 1j limit and try and license, you will be subject to needing a membership to gun club (5-600 Euro!) Monitored Phone watch alarms in your house (thousands) Gun safe (300 Euro) Plus for most pistols they are not even issuing new licenses full stop (apart from Olympic ones and people that may have had a license circa 2008)

~B

Has to be an X Five I'm afraid but thanks for the advice I appreciate it. Reason being I just like making things extremely difficult for myself.

Licencing issue not very clearcut I agree. Theory V Practice yeah I agree also.

Not impossible though

bullets

Apologies Gun shy Just looking at yer previous posts did not realize you'd be already more than familiar with our fireams laws and pistol shooting.

(I'm not familiar with the X Five variant, wondering if it would be possible for you to buy a standard P226 and maybe
use it as a project to modify it to look more like what you want)

P.S. and other thing to note! if what your looking for is 1.1j and gas powered with the Irish colder climate
it could be enough for something that is that close to the 1j limit to test under the limits.
(unfortunately no way of knowing until you actually have one here in your hands)
The figures listed on different webpages are not always exact and if you have something thats
made in a different country which a warmer climate the fps readings something can be a little higher than
they would be here.


~B

Gun Shy

bullets wrote: »

(I'm not familiar with the X Five variant, wondering if it would be possible for you to buy a standard P226 and maybe
use it as a project to modify it to look more like what you want)

P.S. and other thing to note! if what your looking for is 1.1j and gas powered with the Irish colder climate
it could be enough for something that is that close to the 1j limit to test under the limits.
(unfortunately no way of knowing until you actually have one here in your hands)
The figures listed on different webpages are not always exact and if you have something thats
made in a different country which a warmer climate the fps readings something can be a little higher than
they would be here.

~B

Thanks for the input
Standard 226 is a 4 inch
X Five is a 5 inch so a big problem here plus sights and trigger are different also there is a mag well although this is perhaps the only easy bit.

Whatever I do it will have to be 100% compliant and to be honest it dosent matter if the power is down to somewhere between .8/.9 j at the end of the day. I'm not trying to get it because its a 1.1j for extra power