Green diesel sold as clear

PAULWATSON

Hi,

I started a thread the other day about this, it was deleted.

So just to update you. I filled the car up at <snip>

My mechanic has since drained the tank, and as suspected it was full of green diesel. I paid around 140c for clear, a full tanks worth.



Now I do not want anyone naming names here, if you do this will also be shut down.

Does anyone else have any experience personally, or indeed heard of this "mistake" being made on the part of a service station.

In my situation I have been offered a full refund and we are currently debating over mechanic fees.

but43r

Sure...

Vicxas

Id take the refund and be happy, i wouldnt go against that store, probably not worth the legal fees....

Henry Ford III

PAULWATSON wrote: »

Hi,

I started a thread the other day about this, it was deleted.....

So you decided start another?

Threads don't get deleted for fun normally.

henryporter

I've often had the discussion with people that Green/Red diesel doesn't harm your engine (me saying it does, most saying it does not) - what is the actual story - if the OP is saying the mechanic needed to drain the tank surely there must have been a problem. The obvious problem is getting dipped and penalised, but are there mechanical issues also?

but43r

henryporter wrote: »

I've often had the discussion with people that Green/Red diesel doesn't harm your engine (me saying it does, most saying it does not) - what is the actual story - if the OP is saying the mechanic needed to drain the tank surely there must have been a problem. The obvious problem is getting dipped and penalised, but are there mechanical issues also?

Nope, green diesel will definitely do no harm to the engine...

PAULWATSON

but43r wrote: »

Sure...

Got 40L of evidence in the shed. And another thing, I have been asking around, this provider does not have a good name.

Vicxas wrote: »

Id take the refund and be happy, i wouldnt go against that store, probably not worth the legal fees....

Yes, but customs will be calling around.

Henry Ford III wrote: »

So you decided start another?

Threads don't get deleted for fun normally.

:rolleyes: Hence my warning in the original post.

tuxy

I don't see how it would cause mechanical problems, it's the same type of fuel only with harmless dye added. If you think it is harmful what's your theory behind that?

PAULWATSON

henryporter wrote: »

what is the actual story - if the OP is saying the mechanic needed to drain the tank surely there must have been a problem.

Yeah, a massive fine for running on marked derv.

henryporter

tuxy wrote: »

I don't see how it would cause mechanical problems, it's the same type of fuel only with harmless dye added. If you think it is harmful what's your theory behind that?

Just naivety:D

PAULWATSON

tuxy wrote: »

I don't see how it would cause mechanical problems, it's the same type of fuel only with harmless dye added. If you think it is harmful what's your theory behind that?

Totally wrong, a lot of big modern diesel engines run like dogs on the marked fuel. Try putting this juice in a 3.0 tdi Audi.

MugMugs

Ehhhh

Yes you did and it was pump number three and I went and had a look and you're wrong. Thats Diesel from that pump and it's very much not green.


Test by Captain Underpanties, on Flickr

tuxy

PAULWATSON wrote: »

Totally wrong, a lot of big modern diesel engines run like dogs on the marked fuel. Try putting this juice in a 3.0 tdi Audi.

Other than the dye what makes green diesel different?

but43r

PAULWATSON wrote: »

Totally wrong, a lot of big modern diesel engines run like dogs on the marked fuel. Try putting this juice in a 3.0 tdi Audi.

Green diesel is of the same quality as white diesel, if not even better quality than white diesel (You definitely know that it's not washed). The dye makes no difference to the quality of fuel.

murphm45

PAULWATSON wrote: »

Yes, but customs will be calling around.

I would assume they'll call to the garage not you, if you bought it in good faith you've done nothing wrong. That said i'm curious as to why you got the tank drained, what lead you to suspect you had inadvertantly bought green diesel?

PAULWATSON wrote: »

Totally wrong, a lot of big modern diesel engines run like dogs on the marked fuel. Try putting this juice in a 3.0 tdi Audi.

that can't be true otherwise farmer would vbe up in arms with there tractors being destroyed by being forced to use "inferior" quality fuel

PAULWATSON

MugMugs wrote: »

Ehhhh

Yes you did and it was pump number three and I went and had a look and you're wrong. Thats Diesel from that pump and it's very much not green.


Test by Captain Underpanties, on Flickr

Who are you?

I have had the car drained, and got a refund since.

PAULWATSON

murphm45 wrote: »

I would assume they'll call to the garage not you, if you bought it in good faith you've done nothing wrong. That said i'm curious as to why you got the tank drained, what lead you to suspect you had inadvertantly bought green diesel?

Car runs like a dog on that juice.

but43r

PAULWATSON wrote: »

Who are you?

I have had the car drained, and got a refund since.

I am sure you will have no problem naming the garage then.

zilog_jones

Aren't there higher amounts of sulphur in the green stuff?

Northern Monkey

I also filled at pump 3 the next morning (last Saturday) and it looked fine to me. However if they are willing to give you a refund and you have 40l to prove it...that is a different story.

tuxy

And suddenly it becomes all so clear why the last thread was locked :P

yuloni

This post has been deleted.

johnos1984

murphm45 wrote: »

that can't be true otherwise farmer would vbe up in arms with there tractors being destroyed by being forced to use "inferior" quality fuel

They currently are.

The sulphur has been removed since april and many tractors are stopping dead in the field due to the lack of sulphur which aided cleaning of the fuel lines

EPM

but43r wrote: »

I am sure you will have no problem naming the garage then.

Yes he bloody will. And so would boards. No names.

Where To

How did your mechanic know that it was green diesel?
Where did he get it analysed?

johnos1984

where do i go from here wrote: »

How did your mechanic know that it was green diesel?

Dip the tank I'd imagine. Very easy to do

-Corkie-

johnos1984 wrote: »

They currently are.

The sulphur has been removed since april and many tractors are stopping dead in the field due to the lack of sulphur which aided cleaning of the fuel lines

Thats true John as a lot of very new tractors are being fitted with DPF`S that need low sulphur diesel.

Back on topic I dont believe the OP for one minute as he has been proved wrong by another member. I have often purchased fuel in that station and its fine. I cannot believe he started a new thread after it being deleted....:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Where To

johnos1984 wrote: »

Dip the tank I'd imagine. Very easy to do

aww right, so that means that the 1,000 litres of green tinged diesel that I currently have in my tank isn't DERV then
Where do i turn myself in?:D

johnos1984

I find this all very hard to believe also Corkie.......

PAULWATSON

Northern Monkey wrote: »

However if they are willing to give you a refund and you have 40l to prove it...that is a different story.

That's it. I'm not arguing the issue, I have the refund. If anyone cared to read the opening post, I was enquiring if this has happened to anyone else.

where do i go from here wrote: »

How did your mechanic know that it was green diesel?
Where did he get it analysed?

Key is in the name GREEN diesel. You don't need to analyse it.

-Corkie- wrote: »

Back on topic I dont believe the OP for one minute as he has been proved wrong by another member. I have often purchased fuel in that station and its fine. I cannot believe he started a new thread after it being deleted....:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Proved wrong, some fella posts a picture of a clear liquid in a bottle. How does that prove me wrong?

As for it being fine, I am not debating the issue, I have received a full refund.

R.O.R

PAULWATSON wrote: »

Proved wrong, some fella posts a picture of a clear liquid in a bottle. How does that prove me wrong?

As for it being fine, I am not debating the issue, I have received a full refund.

I demand to see photo's of the Green Diesel you allegedy have, then, and only then can the greater boards public choose what side of the fence to sit on.

For the moment, I am on MugMugs side because at least he bothered to put up a pretty picture.

A definite case of "pics or GTFO".

-Corkie-

R.O.R wrote: »

I demand to see photo's of the Green Diesel you allegedy have, then, and only then can the greater boards public choose what side of the fence to sit on.

For the moment, I am on MugMugs side because at least he bothered to put up a pretty picture.

A definite case of "pics or GTFO".

You just beat me to it...:p

pippip

+1 need evidence it was green

SugarHigh

pippip wrote: »

+1 need evidence it was green

How does mugs picture prove anything and how would a picture of green diesel prove anything?

This thread makes me really worry about a jury based legal system.:D

R.O.R

SugarHigh wrote: »

How does mugs picture prove anything and how would a picture of green diesel prove anything?

This thread makes me really worry about a jury based legal system.:D

I want to see what allegedly Green diesel allegedy looks like.

I'd also like to see if the OP's interior decoration is as nice as MugMugs - you can tell a lot about people from their wall coverings.

pippip

if it was me and I was proved right I would defo have got a picture. cannot see why the op didn't get one.

I know a pic doesn't prove anything but one side bothered to prove something and the op didn't so at the moment I believe one over the other.

Also the garage would be pleading guilty by giving a refund opening itself up all sorts trouble which doesn't make sense.

mickdw

So the OP post a picture of a couple of typical 5 gallon drums of green diesel that any farmer might buy. How is that evidence?

I actually believe the OP though and if he was to post record of refund here, there would be apologies needed.

Where To

PAULWATSON wrote: »

Key is in the name GREEN diesel. You don't need to analyse it.

Just because it 'looks' GREEN does not make it green diesel.

Did the garage admit that there was marked diesel in the tank?

PAULWATSON

R.O.R wrote: »

I demand to see photo's of the Green Diesel you allegedy have, then, and only then can the greater boards public choose what side of the fence to sit on.

For the moment, I am on MugMugs side because at least he bothered to put up a pretty picture.

A definite case of "pics or GTFO".

pippip wrote: »

+1 need evidence it was green

SugarHigh wrote: »

How does mugs picture prove anything and how would a picture of green diesel prove anything?

This thread makes me really worry about a jury based legal system.:D

You said it sugar, I'll post a pisture of some lime juice in a glass and show them up.

And by the way, this is my mot (piccy and all)

MugMugs

PAULWATSON wrote: »

Proved wrong, some fella posts a picture of a clear liquid in a bottle. How does that prove me wrong?

Because that is the Diesel taken from that pump shortly after your initial thread? I've got receipts too.

I generally don't keep odd looking fluids in water bottles hanging about in the hope that somebody might see green diesel going into their car.

You did not get green diesel from a pump for motor cars in that station. Fact. Look at the time stamp of the picture. It was about 1 hour after your thread.

PAULWATSON

pippip wrote: »

if it was me and I was proved right I would defo have got a picture. cannot see why the op didn't get one.

I know a pic doesn't prove anything but one side bothered to prove something and the op didn't so at the moment I believe one over the other.

Also the garage would be pleading guilty by giving a refund opening itself up all sorts trouble which doesn't make sense.

"one side". I'm not on any side, and I don't see why anyone else should be.

As for the refund and "all sorts of trouble", they have admitted that "for a short period of time a junior employee had mistakenly misconnected the pumps, putting the green hose into the clear receiver". Hence my original post asking it the same had happened to anyone else.

As for the refund, I have had my laser card refunded.

PAULWATSON

MugMugs wrote: »

Because that is the Diesel taken from that pump shortly after your initial thread? I've got receipts too.

I generally don't keep odd looking fluids in water bottles hanging about in the hope that somebody might see green diesel going into their car.

You did not get green diesel from a pump for motor cars in that station. Fact. Look at the time stamp of the picture. It was about 1 hour after your thread.

I got my fuel at 2pm. My initial thread was 4/5 hours later. You want to watch your manners "you did not get green diesel..........."

I got it, and I got the refund.

As an aside, I take it you work for this crowd?

johnos1984

PAULWATSON wrote: »

You want to watch your manners

MugMugs

PAULWATSON wrote: »

You want to watch your manners "you did not get green diesel..........."

I got it, and I got the refund.


As an aside, I take it you work for this crowd?

If you think back you actually challenged me to go and prove you wrong. I did. I'm kinda done with this thread now. You are making allegations with no substance to them.

This station do sell coloured diesel but thats kept for Refrigerated units that run on a seperate tank to power the refrigeration system and not to propel the vehicle.

And no, I do not work for any entity based in the North East hence why I use reputable stations to fill my quite precious to me motor car.

PAULWATSON

johnos1984 wrote: »

I'll not have someone calling me a liar and firing "facts" about. As I said, he should disclose his connections.

johnos1984

PAULWATSON wrote: »

I'll not have someone calling me a liar and firing "facts" about. As I said, he should disclose his connections.

I find it extremely hard to believe the pump was still operational and had been drained and cleaned within 4 hours

PAULWATSON

MugMugs wrote: »

If you think back you actually challenged me to go and prove you wrong. I did. .

You posted an image of a fluid in a bottle.

MugMugs wrote: »

I'm kinda done with this thread now. You are making allegations with no substance to them..

What allegations have I made, where have I mentioned the name if any station??????

They have admitted a "mistake", so your defence of something you are not involved with is laughable.

I'll say it again, I want to know if anyone else has had a similar experience.

PAULWATSON

johnos1984 wrote: »

I find it extremely hard to believe the pump was still operational and had been drained and cleaned within 4 hours

I'm not debating the ins and outs of it, I have the refund.

MugMugs

PAULWATSON wrote: »

You posted an image of a fluid in a bottle.

ummm, Did you want me to go Scuba Diving into their tank with a camera for you ?

Unless they drained, scoured and refilled their tank. You remain incorrect in your ascertation that this garage is selling Green Diesel.

PAULWATSON wrote: »

What allegations have I made, where have I mentioned the name if any station??????

Your deleted thread made the allegations quite clear and named the station in question. You have since insinuated on this thread that their reputation is less than good... I disagree with this as do most of the general Diesel / Petrol buying punters on this Island of ours.

PAULWATSON wrote: »

I'll say it again, I want to know if anyone else has had a similar experience.

Yes, My fuel light came on this evening and I filled up. It was white diesel but I am sure there could have been an amber twinge to it. You'll find that to be pretty common insofar as white diesel is not actually "white"

johnos1984

PAULWATSON wrote: »

I'm not debating the ins and outs of it, I have the refund.

Right, let me get this straight.

You filled the car at pump 3 in a certain garage

Within 4 hours the car developed symptoms which are unknown,
your mechanic immediately diagnosed wrong fuel in the tank,
mechanic disrupts his daily schedule to drain your tank,
you return to garage,
explain situation to manager
refund given
pump continues to operate
you come one here
someone else gets a sample and nothing is wrong with the diesel

There is no way in hell all of that happened in 4 hours.

EPM

PAULWATSON wrote: »

You posted an image of a fluid in a bottle.




What allegations have I made, where have I mentioned the name if any station??????


I'll say it again, I want to know if anyone else has had a similar experience.

You actually had me editing your post as it wasn't hard to narrow down.

I'm closing this as it's pointless. PM me if there is a problem.