Getting a job in Oz from Ireland

kinggriff

I have searched the forums and haven't found any similar topic. I graduated in mechanical engineering over 2 years ago, as I would be travelling with my partner and child I see the 457 employer sponsored visa is my only option.

I have only under 1 years work experience. I'm looking for any advice/help/websites on lining up an employer that would be willing to sponsor me without meeting me in person!

Any info is greatly appreciated

rightyabe

Not impossible but very very hard to gain sponsorship from Ireland...

Would you hire a Ozzy who just sent you a CV or a Irishman who lives around the corner?

Worth a try though, you might get some feedback or even a contact to ring when you land in Oz.

Good luck. When you leaving? and were you planning on going?

markymark21

kinggriff wrote: »

I have searched the forums and haven't found any similar topic. I graduated in mechanical engineering over 2 years ago, as I would be travelling with my partner and child I see the 457 employer sponsored visa is my only option.

I have only under 1 years work experience. I'm looking for any advice/help/websites on lining up an employer that would be willing to sponsor me without meeting me in person!

Any info is greatly appreciated

From what I understand an employer can only sponsor you if they can prove they couldn't find an Australian to fill the position you are looking to fill yourself.. And since you only have one years experience I'm sure there are lots of Australian (and indeed Irish individuals) who have much more experience than that in the field of mechanical engineering..

s.c

markymark21 wrote: »

From what I understand an employer can only sponsor you if they can prove they couldn't find an Australian to fill the position you are looking to fill yourself..

Technically ture but as far as I know, there isn't much proof required and this part isn't really much of an issue..

karl bracken

usually you will do 3 months probation and then they will decide to keep you or not

have a look on immi.gov.au as far as i know there is a visa wizard and there is a specific question about completing an engineering degree in the last 2 years so they obviously want them

someday2010

If you are under 30 then you should look into going over on a working holiday visa. Basically It is going to be very hard to get someone to sponsor you directly from Ireland with just 1 or 2 years experience You need to go to australia and approach employers from Australia.

happo

It will hard with limited experience. The company I work brought a guy over from Dublin, he applied for the job on-line. However he had about 10 years experience and it was a specialised software role.


I hope this does not dishearten you, it is possible. Good luck.

jank

One year exp is too little. Best bet is a whv or apply for the skilled visas

Fantabulous

He cant get a WHV with a child, hes right that sponsorship is his only real option, that and a skilled visa but theyre expensive and can take months to come through also with so little experience he might not have the points for it.

jank

Sorry should have said that he goes on his own for a few months on a whv then when he gets sponsored bring the child over with him.

sparks24

can he go alone on a WHV first and then hopefully get the sponser and fly them over then when it comes through?

happo

In the past you could not get a WHV if you had a child (Persuming he is the father). Not sure if that is still the case?

hussey

happo wrote: »

In the past you could not get a WHV if you had a child (Persuming he is the father). Not sure if that is still the case?

Mod Presuming he is the father? That is a pretty insulting thing to say.

How about keep opinions to yourself, and just stick to the facts

Here is the fact: (http://www.immi.gov.au/visitors/working-holiday/417/eligibility-first.htm)

not be accompanied by dependent children at any time during your stay in Australia
Note: A dependent child is the child, or step-child, of you or your partner who

happo

Excuse me I did not mean to insult and I am sticking to the facts.

LizOHagan

Yes you can secure a WHV if you have dependents however it will be a paper application and take longer to approve. You have to provide evidence that your dependents will NOT join you at any time while you hold a WHV. IF you are lucky enough to secure sponsorship while over there then you can include the dependents on that visa application. However alot less people secure sponsorship than you may think so it is a huge risk for those leaving dependents behind.

Just because sponsorship is spoken about and 'sold' in Ireland doesn't mean it is easy to secure and most importantly hold onto your money under you have a firm sponsorship offer direct from the sponsor and not a third party.

happo

hussey wrote: »

Here is the fact: (http://www.immi.gov.au/visitors/working-holiday/417/eligibility-first.htm)

I stand corrected.

OP I had a friend who was Mech Engineer who found it hard to find a job while on-shore however he did manage to secure a role as a Civil Engineer pretty easy. An option may be to apply to some of the major civil contrcators. I know they find it difficult to source engineers to work in rural regions, this may be option with limited experenice.

Good luck.

kinggriff

Thanks to everyone for their input,

I am the father of the child and worry not mods, being Irish it would take a lot more than that to insult me

I have considered the WHV option as I have friends living in Perth who I could stay with, I was hoping it would be more of a last resort though, as it would be hard leaving my family behind.

Happo thanks for that idea I never considered applying for a civil job. I guess no matter where I go its the same ****, everyone wants someone with experience but no ones willing to give it, which is all I've heard in rejection e-mails.

On a positive note I came across the site http://www.sponsorshipaustralia.net - it's supposed to be an advanced site that helps you find a job to suit your requirement, has anybody got any recommendations?

Thanks again for the info peeps

hussey

kinggriff wrote: »

On a positive note I came across the site http://www.sponsorshipaustralia.net - it's supposed to be an advanced site that helps you find a job to suit your requirement, has anybody got any recommendations?

Thanks again for the info peeps

My recommendation would be to stay away/be very weary from any (3rd party) company promising you sponsorship from Ireland

d.pop

happo wrote: »

I stand corrected.

OP I had a friend who was Mech Engineer who found it hard to find a job while on-shore however he did manage to secure a role as a Civil Engineer pretty easy. An option may be to apply to some of the major civil contrcators. I know they find it difficult to source engineers to work in rural regions, this may be option with limited experenice.

Good luck.

Sorry for jumping in here in the middle of a thread but with respect to civil engineering versus mechanical engineering are you sure that your mate got work as a civil engineer? No offence but i'm a civil engineer and unless mechanical engineering has seriously changed since i graduated college it's not exactly the same area?? Doubt that mech eng carries a lot of course work on geotechnics, heavy civils/earthworks, foundation design, concrete design, soil mechanics etc ? Equally i didn't exactly spend a lot of time on thermodynamics, kinematics, robotics etc.
There may be a shortage of engineers but if somebody arrived on my site (having got through all the interviews) pretending to be a civil engineer he'd be rumbled within a few minutes, dropped back to airport within a few hours and I'd be spending the rest of my time on the project trying to apologise for having a load of dodgy countrymen.
If your mate has managed to pull it off fair play but i seriously doubt it would be a legitimate option for many other people.

happo

Yes I am sure. Not sure what his day to day job duties are but from what he says he works in design office and not on site.

Mellor

d.pop wrote: »

Sorry for jumping in here in the middle of a thread but with respect to civil engineering versus mechanical engineering are you sure that your mate got work as a civil engineer? No offence but i'm a civil engineer and unless mechanical engineering has seriously changed since i graduated college it's not exactly the same area?? Doubt that mech eng carries a lot of course work on geotechnics, heavy civils/earthworks, foundation design, concrete design, soil mechanics etc ? Equally i didn't exactly spend a lot of time on thermodynamics, kinematics, robotics etc.
There may be a shortage of engineers but if somebody arrived on my site (having got through all the interviews) pretending to be a civil engineer he'd be rumbled within a few minutes, dropped back to airport within a few hours and I'd be spending the rest of my time on the project trying to apologise for having a load of dodgy countrymen.
If your mate has managed to pull it off fair play but i seriously doubt it would be a legitimate option for many other people.

surely it depends on the companies exact area of business.

I have a friend whose degree is is construction management.
He got a job with a major sydney civil company as an engineer (they look after pipe laying amoung other things). After a few months trial, he in noqw on a ENS-PR visa with them.

s.c

happo wrote: »

OP I had a friend who was Mech Engineer who found it hard to find a job while on-shore however he did manage to secure a role as a Civil Engineer pretty easy.

I would imagine its more of a case that he's working with a Civil Enigneering firm opposed to working as a Civil Engineer. Could be wrong of course.

Mellor wrote:

I have a friend whose degree is is construction management.
He got a job with a major sydney civil company as an engineer (they look after pipe laying amoung other things). After a few months trial, he in noqw on a ENS-PR visa with them.

The construction management courses are quite similiar to civil/structural engineering courses. Alot of the engineering aspects are covered in the construction management courses, albeit not in the same amount of detail.

d.pop

s.c wrote: »

I would imagine its more of a case that he's working with a Civil Enigneering firm opposed to working as a Civil Engineer. Could be wrong of course.



The construction management courses are quite similiar to civil/structural engineering courses. Alot of the engineering aspects are covered in the construction management courses, albeit not in the same amount of detail.

Hopefully that is the case i.e working with, as opposed to working as, a civil engineer. Over the years in Ireland i saw a lot of "site engineers" who were actually construction management graduates and through no fault of their own (hired for wrong job) they were very lucky not to have ended up in jail for gross negligence by signing off and approving works that were technically incorrect and lead to structural collapses.
Don't mean to go on about this as it is the employers fault not the individual but everybody should be aware that you as an individual are personally liable as well as the company, i.e. you may pay a fine and you may go to jail for a number of years.
I agree that some elements of construction management overlap with engineering but i would argue that it is only the procurement/management/safety type subjects and not the true engineering subjects, this is where people become unstuck.

Mellor

s.c wrote: »

I would imagine its more of a case that he's working with a Civil Enigneering firm opposed to working as a Civil Engineer. Could be wrong of course.



The construction management courses are quite similiar to civil/structural engineering courses. Alot of the engineering aspects are covered in the construction management courses, albeit not in the same amount of detail.

In this case, the site engineer is basically a project manager. Which is why construction management graduates get the job.

But no construction management graduate is train enough to do any sort of structural calculations. I had to study structural theory, and while I could probably manage basic, domesic calculations, I've never put my ass on the line and do this as a job.

rebs23

This site here is looking for a mechanical engineer with sponsorship to australia. best of luck.
www.recruitfromireland.com