Liberty Belle B-17 down

Nforce

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcrQLsRfGkw

Blue Punto

Such a pity to see this aircraft in this state

One less B-17 in the skies

I remember watching G-BEDF at airshows years ago great birds to see in the sky

lord lucan

Sad sight.:(

cyrusdvirus

Damn.... I love those old birds.

If i ever had the money, that would be my dream aeroplane.

Manic Moran

Pity.

When you have one of those rare items, you're always in two minds as to whether or not to run them, in the risk that there will be some catastrophe.

By comparison, we have the only working Panther tank in the US, and one of I think four in the world. If we run it, then we also run the risk of things like engine fires which might destroy it. But if you don't run it for fear of breaking it, then what's the point in having a working tank in the first place?

Where I'm concerned, these things were built to run or fly. (Well, in the case of the Panther, not fly). Losing one in operation is a shame. But seeing it grounded is even more a shame. Let them continue flying.

NTM

280special

Glad to see that those onboard survived but damned sad to see such a fine aircraft destroyed.

But it is vital that these aircraft do continue to fly.

Tenger

Very sad, I read 'down' as crashed. I though 'maybe it will be recoverable'. Got a shock when the video showed the fuselage in flames.

However, no fatalities which is always good.

Nforce

More pics here... http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20110613/news/706139915/photos/AR/

Although,the aircraft is heavily damaged there are still quite a few bits that are salvageable. It may even be possible to rebuild her,according to one of the Liberty Belle team, as they didn't have much more of the airframe when they began the original restoration.

Tenger

Nforce wrote: »

Although,the aircraft is heavily damaged there are still quite a few bits that are salvageable. It may even be possible to rebuild her,according to one of the Liberty Belle team, as they didn't have much more of the airframe when they began the original restoration.

Not that would be impressive. Looking at the pics the wings, cockpit and tail are quite intact.

And anecdotally the B-17 were able to take a lot of damage.

cyrusdvirus

Tenger wrote: »

Not that would be impressive. Looking at the pics the wings, cockpit and tail are quite intact.

And anecdotally the B-17 were able to take a lot of damage.

The fact that it was a controlled landing, wheels down and stop rather than an actual wheels up belly landing will have helped too

Nforce

As posted by the Liberty Foundation's Chief Pilot, Ray Fowler, on their Facebook page -

First, let me start off by sincerely thanking everyone for the outpouring of support that we are receiving. I am sorry that I have not yet had the opportunity to return the many phone calls, text or e-mails that I am receiving offering to help. Again, thank you for all of the kind words that we are receiving and for incredible offers to help emotionally, financially and/or with the recovery process. I hope this statement will help fill in a few details that everyone is wondering about that led to the loss of our “Liberty Belle”.


Yesterday morning, both our P-40 and B-17 were scheduled to fly from Aurora, Illinois to Indianapolis, Indiana. We were in Aurora for the weekend as a part of our scheduled tour. Over the course of the previous week, we completed a scheduled 25-hour inspection on the B-17 which was completed by Saturday. On Saturday, the weather stayed below the required ceiling to give any passenger flights, however the B-17 flew in the morning on a routine training proficiency flight, performing several patterns. Following the flight, other maintenance issues arose that required us to cancel our Sunday flying schedule for repairs. The maintenance performed has not been, in any way, associated to the chain of events that led to Monday’s fateful flight, but is being considered in the preliminary investigation. However, due to the media’s sensational (mis)reporting, there is a large amount of misinformation that continues to lead the news.


Here is what we do know… Flying in the left seat of the B-17 was Capt. John Hess. John has been flying our Liberty Belle since 2005 and one of our most experienced B-17 pilots. He is an active Delta Air Lines Captain with over 14,000 hours of flying experience and flys a variety of vintage WWII aircraft. In the right seat was Bud Sittic. While Bud is new to the Liberty Foundation this year, he is also incredibly experienced with over 14,000 hours of flying time in vintage and hi-performance aircraft. He is a retired Captain with Delta Air Lines.


The news misidentified the P-40 as flying chase during the accident. I was flying our P-40, however I had departed 20 minutes prior to the B-17’s takeoff on the short flight to Indianapolis to setup for the B-17’s arrival. The aircraft flying chase was a T-6 Texan flown by owner Cullen Underwood. Cullen is one of our rated B-17 Captains and an experienced aviator tagging along as a support ship.


The takeoff of both aircraft was uneventful and proceeded on-course southeast. Prior to exiting Aurora’s airport traffic area, the B-17 crew and passengers began investigating an acrid smell and started a turn back to the airport. Almost immediately thereafter, Cullen spotted flames coming from the left wing and reported over the radio that they were on fire.


As all pilots know, there are few emergency situations that are more critical than having an in-flight fire. While it is extremely rare, it can (and sometimes does) indiscriminately affect aircraft of any age or type. In-flight fires have led to the loss of not only aircraft, but often can result in catastrophic loss of life. It requires an immediate action on the flight crew, as the integrity of aircraft structure, systems and critical components are in question.


Directly below the B-17 was a farmer’s field and the decision was made to land immediately. Approximately 1 minute and 40 seconds from the radio report of the fire, the B-17 was down safely on the field. Within that 1:40 time frame, the crew shutdown and feathered the number 2 engine, activated the engine’s fire suppression system, lowered the landing gear and performed an on-speed landing. Bringing the B-17 to a quick stop, the crew and passengers quickly and safely exited the aircraft. Overhead in the T-6, Cullen professionally coordinated and directed the firefighting equipment which was dispatched by Aurora Tower to the landing location.


Unlike the sensational photos that you have all seen of the completely burned B-17 on the news, you will see from photos taken by our crew that our Liberty Belle was undamaged by the forced landing and at the time of landing, the wing fire damage was relatively small. The crew actually unloaded bags, then had the horrible task of watching the aircraft slowly burn while waiting for the fire trucks to arrive. There were high hopes that the fire would be extinguished quickly and the damage would be repairable. Those hopes were diminished as the fire trucks deemed the field too soft to cross due to the area’s recent rainfall. So while standing by our burning B-17 and watching the fire trucks parked at the field’s edge, they sadly watched the wing fire spread to the aircraft’s fuel cells and of course, you all have seen the end result. There is no doubt that had the fire equipment been able to reach our aircraft, the fire would have been quickly extinguished and our Liberty Belle would have been repaired to continue her worthwhile mission.


Let me go on the record by thanking the flight crew for their professionalism. Their actions were nothing short of heroic and their quick thinking, actions and experience led to a “successful” outcome to this serious in-flight emergency. John and Bud (and Cullen) did a remarkable job under extreme circumstances and performed spectacularly. While the leading news stories have repeatedly reported the “crash” of our B-17, fact is they made a successful forced landing and the aircraft was ultimately consumed by fire. Airplanes are replaceable but people are not and while the aircraft’s loss is tragic, it was a successful result.


This leads me into discussing the exceptional safety record of the Boeing B-17 and to hopefully squash the naysayers who preach we should not be flying these types of aircraft. Since we first flew the “Liberty Belle” in December of 2004, we have flown over 20,000 passengers throughout the country and if you count our historic trip to Europe in 2008, worldwide. Of the other touring B-17s, some of which that have been touring for over 20 years, they have safely flown hundreds of thousands of people. The aircraft’s safety record is spectacular and I am certain the overall cause of our issue, which is under investigation, will not tarnish that safety record. In fact, as many of you know, other B-17 have suffered significant damage (although not as bad as ours!), only to be re-built to fly again. From a passenger carrying standpoint, I can think of few aircraft that offer the same level of safety as the 4-engine “Flying Fortress”. As mentioned earlier, in-flight fires are extremely rare and certainly could affect any powered aircraft under certain circumstances. I would put my children today in any of the other touring B-17s to go fly. I suggest to anyone that was thinking of doing so when a B-17 visits your area to do so without giving our loss any thought.


There is wild speculation going on as to the cause of our fire and the affect to other operators. Please let the investigation run its course and report the findings. The NTSB and FAA were quickly on the scene and we are working closely with them to aid in the investigation. As soon as we receive some additional information, we will release it via the website http://www.libertyfoundation.org/.


The ultimate question remains, where does the Liberty Foundation go from here? After the investigation and recovery, we will determine our options. We are still committed to the restoration and flying of World War II aircraft. Again, we appreciate the support and people offering to help get us back flying.


Please check back for updates. I will close by thanking everyone that made our tour so successful. From the first day of the B-17’s restoration, thank you for all of you who labored to get her flying over the initial restoration years and to everyone that has worked on her out on tour since. Thank you to the crewmembers, tour coordinators and volunteers who gave up weekends and countless hours to support her on the road. And finally, thank you to the passengers, donors and media patrons that flew aboard and everyone who supported our cause. Hopefully, this will not be the end of the story, but a new beginning.


Regards,

Ray Fowler

The Liberty Foundation, Chief Pilot

Tenger

Nforce wrote: »

As posted by the Liberty Foundation's Chief Pilot, Ray Fowler, on their Facebook page -

Thanks for that.

........Those hopes were diminished as the fire trucks deemed the field too soft to cross due to the area’s recent rainfall. So while standing by our burning B-17 and watching the fire trucks parked at the field’s edge, they sadly watched the wing fire spread ....... Hoses?

Dublin_Gunner

Such a shame to see such an iconic aircraft meet its demise in a dreadfully accidental way.

The B-17 is on of my favourite all time aircraft, and the subject of many dreams of mine from childhood, imagining myself battling through the skies of WWII.

I always wished I was a B-17 pilot & gunner growing up. Sad to see her in such bad shape

Manic Moran

Tenger wrote: »

Thanks for that.

........Those hopes were diminished as the fire trucks deemed the field too soft to cross due to the area’s recent rainfall. So while standing by our burning B-17 and watching the fire trucks parked at the field’s edge, they sadly watched the wing fire spread ....... Hoses?

American fields in the Mid-West tend to be a tag bigger than Irish ones. This one was big enough for a B-17 to land.

I guess the hose wouldn't have reached.

NTM

Tenger

Manic Moran wrote: »

American fields in the Mid-West tend to be a tag bigger than Irish ones............I guess the hose wouldn't have reached.

Oh yeah! In the TV footage you can see a wide view of the crash site, no sign of a field edge in it!!

urajoke

Whatever happened to the word "Crashed" everything gets reported as "DOWN".

cyrusdvirus

urajoke wrote: »

Whatever happened to the word "Crashed" everything gets reported as "DOWN".

Well, urajoke, that's because the plane in question didn't crash.

There was an emergency landing, but the plane got down in one piece.

Nforce

urajoke wrote: »

Whatever happened to the word "Crashed" everything gets reported as "DOWN".

Maybe it's because the aircraft didn't crash?;)

Here's a pic of the B-17 immediately following the forced landing and subsequent evacuation. It must have been heart breaking to watch her burn.

lord lucan

urajoke wrote: »

Whatever happened to the word "Crashed" everything gets reported as "DOWN".

Generally aircraft which fall from the sky for whatever reason are referred to as 'down' rather than crashed. Crash normally implies a collision with another entity whereas most aircraft/choppers are usually 'downed' due to technical/mechanical problems. That's how i've always viewed it anyway.:)