Pakistan any hope? Execution of unarmed man warning

losthorizon

http://www.euronews.net/2011/06/10/very-public-shooting-damages-pakistani-army/

arybvtcw0eolkf

'Pakistan slaughters again'.

Chuck Stone

Very brutal but not surprising [Execution of unarmed man warning maybe?].

I have to say that Pakistan is one of those places which scares the crap out of me as regards global stability.

They got dem nukes.

El Weirdo

losthorizon wrote: »

http://www.euronews.net/2011/06/10/very-public-shooting-damages-pakistani-army/

I don't know, OP. What are your views?

Or did you just want to post a video of some geezer getting shot?

mikemac

What do you think OP?

policarp

Not so long ago we had the same goings on. Up North.
Shoot to kill policy...

jimthemental

It's fairly disconcerting that the military of a country that is nuclear capable is out of control like this. All that would be needed now is aggression from India and they have a complete shít storm over there.

MagicMarker

What is he supposed to have done?

losthorizon

mikemac wrote: »

What do you think OP?

What do I think? Well To be honest I think that report is very one sided. From what I have read and seen its only a few areas which are dangerous like Dir and swat. I think there is no chance of the Taliban or some other muslim extremist organisation taking cintrol. The Pakistan poulation simply wouldnt allow it. Its a country I have often wanted to go to especially the Hunza valley. What do you think?

Absurdum

MagicMarker wrote: »

What is he supposed to have done?

He was Paki-ng heat

Einhard

Pakistan is why, regardless of whether it's hypocritical or not, it's not a bad idea to not want Iran to gain nukes.

Chuck Stone

I think it needs to be pointed out that this not just a problem of Pakistani soldiers - I'd imagine it happens way more than we know.

Here's a chilling account of US soldiers murdering a young man in Afghanistan.

By Mark Boal
March 27, 2011 10:00 PM ET


Morlock and Holmes [US soldiers] called to him in Pashto as he walked toward them, ordering him to stop. The boy did as he was told. He stood still.
The soldiers knelt down behind a mud-brick wall. Then Morlock tossed a grenade toward Mudin, using the wall as cover. As the grenade exploded, he and Holmes opened fire, shooting the boy repeatedly at close range with an M4 carbine and a machine gun.
Mudin buckled, went down face first onto the ground. His cap toppled off. A pool of blood congealed by his head.


Then, in a break with protocol, the soldiers began taking photographs of themselves celebrating their kill. Holding a cigarette rakishly in one hand, Holmes posed for the camera with Mudin's bloody and half-naked corpse, grabbing the boy's head by the hair as if it were a trophy deer. Morlock made sure to get a similar memento.

Photo of the above. Warning: Disturbing image.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-GVfwZR3ipVg/TZKf0p_XScI/AAAAAAAAG-U/12ci5tsdJmI/s1600/a93a1f89d75968aabcc96c095bc4f2a73eda158f7.jpg

No one seemed more pleased by the kill than Staff Sgt. Calvin Gibbs, the platoon's popular and hard-charging squad leader. "It was like another day at the office for him," one soldier recalls. Gibbs started "messing around with the kid," moving his arms and mouth and "acting like the kid was talking." Then, using a pair of razor-sharp medic's shears, he reportedly sliced off the dead boy's pinky finger and gave it to Holmes, as a trophy for killing his first Afghan.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-kill-team-20110327?page=2

Btw I don't want to turn this into a USA bashing echo chamber - just saying that nationailty doesn't really have much to do with murder.

Sticky_Fingers

Harry Ashy Voyager wrote: »

'Pakistan slaughters again'.

I see what you did there, how very clever of you.

FrostyJack

MagicMarker wrote: »

What is he supposed to have done?

He was supposed to be mugging people in the park allegadly. The militia are clearly untrained and unprofessional. The way first guy holds the hand gun while pulling the guy by the hair and he jumps like a girl when the shots are fired. The guy who was shot was hardly walking along minding his own business as he pushes his shooter away while holding his gun. Not very smart. Obviously he didn't deserve to die and definitely not the way he did, which you can see on other videos which are quite tramatic, but as for his innocence I doubt it. Human life doesn't seem to have the same value over there.

Son Of A Vidic

The ineptitude and incompetence of the Pakistan security forces is truly mind boggling. They shoot down a poor lad like a dog, yet elements of these same security forces nurture the Taliban and Al Qaeda.

Pauleta

He tried to grab the soldiers gun. WTF was he thinking? The soldier would have been fully in his rights to shoot him earlier. There was no need to shoot him when he did though because he had seemed to have backed off by then.

Nodin

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

The ineptitude and incompetence of the Pakistan security forces is truly mind boggling. They shoot down a poor lad like a dog, yet elements of these same security forces nurture the Taliban and Al Qaeda.

...and they got a few billion off the yanks. Thats not incompetence, thats acting the bollocks.

(The same unreformed institutions were also responsible for one of the least known attempted genocides of the 20th century, but thats another story)

arybvtcw0eolkf

The soldier had bad intent from the start, plus his rifle was slung and he was surrounded by his buddies, and his victim was passive to the point of being submissive throughout.

In short, there was little chance of him being disarmed.

The soldier, IMO murdered the man.

FrostyJack

Harry Ashy Voyager wrote: »

and his victim was passive to the point of being submissive throughout.

Did you not see him grab the gun and run at him? Hardly submissive. The point at which he was shot he was but not before that. It would still be considered murder alright though.

arybvtcw0eolkf

FrostyJack wrote: »

Did you not see him grab the gun and run at him?

He ran at the soldier in a pleading motion.

I think he knew from the time the soldier leveled his rifle at him that he was going to be murdered.

Solnskaya

Pauleta wrote: »

He tried to grab the soldiers gun. WTF was he thinking? The soldier would have been fully in his rights to shoot him earlier. There was no need to shoot him when he did though because he had seemed to have backed off by then.

If you are the shooting type, you can see from the outset that the guy who shoots the man is trying to get his shot lined up, his weapon is up and he is just trying to get space and a clear backdrop to take a shot all the time. If faced with a weapon, most people will try to plead and deflect the barrel, thats what the victim is doing. The "soldier", and I use the word loosley, is intent on shooting from the off, probably because he is a psychopath someone has been dumb enough to entrust with a weapon and a uniform. Its a murder, simple as, and sadly, it will soon be forgotten.

FrostyJack

Harry Ashy Voyager wrote: »

He ran at the soldier in a pleading motion.

I think he knew from the time the soldier leveled his rifle at him that he was going to be murdered.

Granted it probably was a pleading motion but it was hardly summisive. From the looks of things he probably would have just got a beating had he not grabbed the gun the way he did. He was shot in the leg, not executed. The other Rangers were complicit in the murder as they made no effort to save him or allow him medical help.

Odysseus

Harry Ashy Voyager wrote: »

The soldier had bad intent from the start, plus his rifle was slung and he was surrounded by his buddies, and his victim was passive to the point of being submissive throughout.

In short, there was little chance of him being disarmed.

The soldier, IMO murdered the man.

I have to cocur with you on all points, this man did not pose any type of active threat. Apart from the obivious I was amazed to see him point his weapon in the victims chest and move forward to do so. The where enough bodies present there to control the victim quite easy, with very little force being required.