pnsi to recruit top gardai

sanbrafyffe

http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0610/psni.html

Bottle_of_Smoke

sanbrafyffe wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0610/psni.html

Interesting, wonder how much training (if any) they'd have to go through.

Also wonder how pay would work out. Given the cost of living differences would expect Gardai are on higher money than PSNI.

Wonder was this considered at the beginning of PSNI recruitment. One thing you really notice with the PSNI is they are very young compared to other police forces. Obvious reasons like.

gigity gigity

Yeah heard this on the radio this morning and heard the interview with Terry Spence (From the police federation)- must say I like the sound of this guy. He was again talking about this simply not being enough and that more officers are were needed as well the higher ranking officers form the Republic and UK.

He also spoke of the reserve and expressed that he feels the should be retained as they have a wealth of experience to draw back on. Another point he made about more officers from NI is that they would have a better understanding of the political situation here and so would cope better.

I know im living in dream land but would absolutly love them to recruit a couple of hundred new officers

Goonerdee

Yeah, more NI born cops.

Aah my wee heart skipped a beat when I got home and heard "PSNI to recruit..." coming from the news :rolleyes: The dissapointment when I heard the rest of it!
It's hard to imagine though how just 40 could make any sort of a difference.

It's mentioned in the UTV report about recruiting 100 police staff also... I think I shall be applying for that anyways if I the opportunity does arise, I'll get my foot in the door somehow
http://www.u.tv/News/PSNI-not-understaffed-despite-job-push/2fe4ad18-cbda-48cd-bbeb-971a60b1f359

Delancey

It would be interesting to see the level of interest from AGS officers - Patten envisaged lots of secondments and attachments between the 2 forces but the reality has been that very few have actually happened .
This was put down largely to differences in the respective pension schemes of the 2 organisations.
The current Garda pension scheme is very attractive ( soon to become less attractive for new entrants I believe ) and it may prove difficult to lure Gardai with a lot of service into what they may view as an ' inferior ' scheme.

I would say the PSNI would love to keep the Reserve given the security situation however Patten did recommend the Reserve should be abolished and to go back on that now would probably be politically difficult.

Goonerdee

Yeah, the civvy staff jobs is something I look at regularly. Just watching to see if one I am suitable for pops up, then Im going for it.

Goonerdee

Can't remember which paper I read it in but apparently they want to recruit officers from NI who joined other forces in GB and RoI after losing out on a chance to join the PSNI.

Of course, this doesn't bode well for recruiting, as other forces are reducing the number of officers the PSNI is hiring experienced officers, which is cheaper, as it only requires five weeks training and I suppose no Probabtionary period.

rookie_boarder

Ahhhh...is it just me our does this ad indicate that they are looking to recruit constables with experience and detective constables as well...
http://www.psni.police.uk/index/careers/latest-opportunities.htm

Alfasudcrazy

Schemes like that are nothing new and were available before but I have not heard of any positions being filled by Gardai.

There was always the impression given that only senior officers (superintendent and upwards) were wanted so this may have been a deterrent to the lower ranks to apply. Again this seems to be the case with this campaign too even though they state they are looking for 'constables'.

It might suit some retired members of an GS but I doubt very much if any serving members would leave an GS simply to join the PSNI.

Delancey

Good question Rookie - my interpretation of this recruitment is that its more likely to be experienced detectives with perhaps a specialised knowledge that they will recruit. I recall a number of officers with strong Scenes of Crime experience left under Patten and were rehired as civilians due to their specialist skills.
At the end of the day 40 Constables ( albeit experienced ) really amounts to a mere drop in the ocean.

Delancey

Alfasudcrazy wrote: »

Schemes like that are nothing new and were available before but I have not heard of any positions being filled by Gardai.

There was always the impression given that only senior officers (superintendent and upwards) were wanted so this may have been a deterrent to the lower ranks to apply. Again this seems to be the case with this campaign too even though they state they are looking for 'constables'.

It might suit some retired members of an GS but I doubt very much if any serving members would leave an GS simply to join the PSNI.

I am aware of a number of AGS members who have joined the PSNI but these people applied and went through the recruitment process like all other applicants , they also had to undergo the full training that all recruits do.
Patten did want to see more senior Gardai work on extended attachment to the PSNI but to my knowledge this has only happened on a handful of occassions - Patten has expressed disappointment at this.

Can't really see the PSNI having much interest in retired AGS members unless perhaps they had very specialist skills/knowledge.

Goonerdee

It is specialist roles such as financial investigations and rape enquiries, I suppose constables can do those jobs.

rookie_boarder

i don't buy this story at all, surely the psni can't have a brain train to the extend they need to go looking else where for staff, this is stealth recruitment, the only benefit to psni is - they're not taken 40 odd peelers currently on the beat here off the beat and promoting them, also, lets say they hire 40 from outside, thats 40 positions filled for gods know how long, meaning internal career advancement is slowed for present cops, they need 40 cops, they could have found them internally ("maybe not up to scratch" but they couldn't be that far away from the standard required), 40 merits pools could have been appointed buts thats not possible - in my opinion - because 50 50 and the the way forward is unclear at this time

Delancey

I was surprised to see the ad only refer to Detectives / Constables - when I heard about this I thought perhaps they were seeking Inspectors and above to plug a possible gap in that area.
At the end of the day there is unfortunately no good news in this announcement for us poor souls :rolleyes:

gigity gigity

This is a strange one alright, why couldnt they offer some full time positions to experienced part timer constables who are going to be let go?

Delancey

gigity gigity wrote: »

This is a strange one alright, why couldnt they offer some full time positions to experienced part timer constables who are going to be let go?

POPT's would be required to apply to join and go through the whole process like we have - they cannot be ' appointed ' just because they are already Part Time.
Experience is the keyword here - I suspect the PSNI are looking for very experienced people with specific skills and knowledge that perhaps they feel are not available from within ?

Goonerdee

It is exactly that, recruitment on the cheap. They will forgoe, IST, AC, vetting and medical tests. All they need is learn how to fire a gun and they will be thrown into the frying pan.

Shield

A little insight for those interested in why this is happening:

It's in response to this article which made for very uncomfortable reading by the CC. Patten making up the shortfall for those Cons who wanted out early has left knowledge and experience gaps in the organisation. We don't have the cash to be hiring these guys back in as "Consultants" anymore (a practice that was very 'wink wink' and 'jobs for the lads' if I do say so), so there really is a need for experienced LEOs to join up.

It also doesn't hurt, from a PR point of view, to have, what will be perceived as, another 40 Catholic Officers on the books.

Delancey

Although I can't remember the exact figures I do know the salaries paid to the ' consultants ' were high when compared to Police salaries - this was in addition to the Patten payouts they had got when they left the service.
It does make sense to cut back on this sort of spending if the skills can be found elsewhere.

rookie_boarder

Shield wrote: »

A little insight for those interested in why this is happening:

It's in response to this article which made for very uncomfortable reading by the CC. Patten making up the shortfall for those Cons who wanted out early has left knowledge and experience gaps in the organisation. We don't have the cash to be hiring these guys back in as "Consultants" anymore (a practice that was very 'wink wink' and 'jobs for the lads' if I do say so), so there really is a need for experienced LEOs to join up.

It also doesn't hurt, from a PR point of view, to have, what will be perceived as, another 40 Catholic Officers on the books.

surely its somebody's job to insure there is a pipe line of fit for purpose officers being developed all the time, if they have to go external for "experienced" officers, somebody's not managing the resources effectively, if on the other hand, they needed say 100 detectives, they filled 60 internally and need an extra 40 i'll eat my words...!!!!!