Cityjet scheme

No.username

Link for this years Cityjet scheme for those who are interested! Good luck!

http://ftejerez.com/forms/cityjet/cityjet.php

mrfantastico

im only sitting my leaving certificate,any advice to what i should do with the results thing ?

No.username

Send an email to FTE and let them know, they'll tell you what to do. You should probably get back to kramming as well

donkey balls

Looks like Cityjet are using FTE now there was a company called Sigmar aviation who ran the course for Cadets, I heard through a mate that they went belly up leaving alot of guys high&dry without completing their training.

xflyer

mrfantastico wrote: »

im only sitting my leaving certificate,any advice to what i should do with the results thing ?

Take my advice, work hard for your Leaving but don't worry about your results in terms of applying for Cityjet. They have only basic requirements. In reality there are no minimum requirements to become a pilot, only money.

Your main worry for Cityjet is having the money to pay for it.

The crazyness of becoming a pilot is that essentially there are no educational requirements needed to start training as a pilot. Mostly it's just money. In practice of course pilots are generally well educated, intelligent people, often middle class.

But ultimately it's overrated as a profession among outsiders and underrated within the business.

Pilots though, for the most part are self selected. If you really want it, you'll get there.

alcockandbrown

This scheme is pointless for Irish People!
Irish banks do not lend money anymore !!!!

There are very few young adults in Ireland who could afford this, and most of those who can afford a course like this might not want to be pilots!

The way I see it, FTE partner loan bank BBVA in spain, only lend money to british students who can secure it on a british property as BBVA have a UK Link. They have no link in Ireland.

Cityjet will end up recuiting non-Irish cadets and this Irish airline will not be helping its own aspiring pilots. Its a shame really.
I hope aer lingus dont do the same thing if they ever re-open their own cadet scheme becuase if they do, you can bank on more than half of the cadets not been Irish !!!!

donkey balls

CityJet afaik are owned by AF as for the financing of these schemes by other banks I know of a school in the sunny south east who can/could get finance through one of our biggest bank.
Also you just have to look at the amount of Cadets that FR take on from every EU state not just Ireland.

David086

Not that I have a list of CityJet pilots, but the majority of the pilots aren't even Irish the majority come from the UK and France.

No.username

If anyone is in the same boat as mrfantastico, and only doin the leaving cert this year, do not fill out the application form leaving the subject field blank...... As this will result in an email being sent to you within 30 seconds informing you that you do not meet the criteria, and you cant re-apply! Also a D in maths seems to result in the same email. Xflyer is dead right in saying that results dont really matter any its more about funding, but in this case it seems cityjet and FTE are using leaving cert results to narrow down applicants.

murphym7

Is it usual for airlines to charge cadets to train? This seems like a money making scheme with the faint offer of a job at the end. Am I right, or very wrong?

dell1211

murphym7 wrote: »

Is it usual for airlines to charge cadets to train? This seems like a money making scheme with the faint offer of a job at the end. Am I right, or very wrong?

Cityjet are subsidising it, its costs a lot lot more than what they charge

No.username

murphym7 wrote: »

Is it usual for airlines to charge cadets to train? This seems like a money making scheme with the faint offer of a job at the end. Am I right, or very wrong?

Yeah this is normal nowadays, im pretty sure there is no european airlines offering a "traditional" cadetship. I think its more than a faint job offer though, i know by reading the T's & C's it seems that way but they are just covering themselves in the case some out of the ordinary happened and they went belly up!

I know a guy who did the cadetship though sigmar in south africa and i think there were only four cadets on course, im not sure how many they take on now though as it was 4 years ago when he trained.

It is £83,000 to train in FTE Jerez if you were to do it on your own, and its £78,500 if you get the cadetship. So its not really a huge saving, but at least its something!

basill

I would be very vary of any of these "mentored" schemes.

In the past Cityjet have run schemes like this and few if any pilots were taken on at the end of the training. Some were lucky and timed it right and got into other carriers such as ours. Others were not. The note from the head of training is as plain as can be and has enough caveats.

If you really must part with a substantial amount of cash in gaining your licences then at least the CTC scheme gives you more employment chances at the end of it.

Lustrum

I've heard too about lads doing the cadetship and at the end Cityjet had no jobs to offer them, this may or may not happen again, but in my opinion you'd be mad to put €88,000 into this thing.

Do it modular, it's cheaper, and with ryanair as stuck for pilots as they are you'll have a god shot at a 737 as long as you pass everything

nag

murphym7 wrote: »

Is it usual for airlines to charge cadets to train? This seems like a money making scheme with the faint offer of a job at the end. Am I right, or very wrong?

Very observant. However, the airlines aren't charging students to train, the flight schools are and it's the flight schools that are making the money out of it. They partner themselves with airlines like this to give their school more appeal, make it look like a top school. If you apply for the scheme and fail to get accepted, generally speaking, you're more likely to start your training with that school regardless. The schools know this and they push to "seal-the-deal".
It's called a "mentored programme", not a cadetship but to make it appear to be something like a cadetship, they through you some chump-change at the end of it (£4,500) that wouldn't even cover accommodation and living expenses. It's a drop in the ocean compared to the cost of your training.

basill wrote: »

In the past Cityjet have run schemes like this and few if any pilots were taken on at the end of the training. Some were lucky and timed it right and got into other carriers such as ours. Others were not. The note from the head of training is as plain as can be and has enough caveats.

Indeed. There is absolutely no guarantee of a job at the end of it. If the airline has vacancies, you'll be first in line but if there are no jobs, you'll go into a holding pool of people until a vacancy comes up (which might never happen). It's also worth noting that if you do manage to land a job, you'll be bonded for a number of years.

When I inquired about such a scheme before, I was also told that if you didn't meet any of the requirements along the way, you would be dropped from the programme. This meant first time passes for your CPL and IR tests and you had to get above 90% in all your ATPL exams, first time as well. If you got an 89% in one exam, you could be dropped but you'd still be committed to the huge cost of your training.