"MOR"

Oscar Bravo

Was at EIKN today when the ATC gave a pilot a good talking too saying "in future it would be nice if you could tell me if your able to continue flying VFR or not.Next time itl be a MOR". anyone want to explain what a MOR is?.Thanks Oscar Bravo.

David086

Mandatory Occurrence Report. I think it's where they file a report on a mistake you've made not too sure on it though.

Oscar Bravo

Thanks David.

Names

An 'MOR' is filed by an atco (or indeed a pilot) on any incident which they deem it necessary for.It could be anything from a major loss of separation to something very minor. It could be Something caused by pilot error,atco error or equipment error. It is a self reporting system so it is down to each atco to file a report. If it is found out that an incident occurred and an mor has not been filed there are consequences. The idea behind reporting everything,however minor, is for things to be learnt. It has been proven that if you stop something minor, you have ultimately stopped something bigger from happening. Most major incidents happen as a result of little errors along the way that go unnoticed.
Slightly off topic,but I have to mention that in your example , it us very unprofessional for the atco to say what he did over the frequency. If u have an issue, you get the pilot to ring when he is safely on the ground

Oscar Bravo

Great explanation there names.The ATCO was a bit flustered i think as he told the aircraft to make a right turn after the go around/overshoot and exit the zone via Tubbercurry.However the aircraft,for some reason,perhaps didnt hear the atco correctly ended up going left after the overshoot and crossing back over the 27 threshold at 2000ft with a B737 on short finals to 27....It was only when the atco heard the aircraft going over head he questioned him.It was special VFR conditions at the time.

xflyer

I don't know whether it was unprofessional or not but I've had my name taken over the air for a perceived loss of separation, in fact it was a misunderstanding on the part of the controller. I thought it odd but didn't argue, the airwaves is no place for animated discussion. It was all sorted out and we kissed and made up later.

Given that the weather yesterday was marginal VFR at best, you wonder at some pilots wishing to fly in it.

On the point of berating pilots over the air. I heard a good one recently. Maybe it can be found on ATC live. But roughly it went like this: ATC: 'Echo India XXX, what is your current altitude', 'Eight Thousand feet'. At this point I think, 'Uh oh he's in trouble!' ATC: 'Are you going to change altitude?'. 'No we'll stay at 8000'. ATC: 'Call us on 119.xx'

A quick switch revealed the controller explaining to errant pilot the concept of flight levels, where the transition altitude starts and the need to file a flight plan before entering controlled airspace which starts at FL75. Amusing for me but embarrassing for the pilot concerned.

I don't know if an MOR was filed, but I would think so!

Su Campu

xflyer wrote: »

I don't know whether it was unprofessional or not but I've had my name taken over the air for a perceived loss of separation, in fact it was a misunderstanding on the part of the controller. I thought it odd but didn't argue, the airwaves is no place for animated discussion. It was all sorted out and we kissed and made up later.

Given that the weather yesterday was marginal VFR at best, you wonder at some pilots wishing to fly in it.

On the point of berating pilots over the air. I heard a good one recently. Maybe it can be found on ATC live. But roughly it went like this: ATC: 'Echo India XXX, what is your current altitude', 'Eight Thousand feet'. At this point I think, 'Uh oh he's in trouble!' ATC: 'Are you going to change altitude?'. 'No we'll stay at 8000'. ATC: 'Call us on 119.xx'

A quick switch revealed the controller explaining to errant pilot the concept of flight levels, where the transition altitude starts and the need to file a flight plan before entering controlled airspace which starts at FL75. Amusing for me but embarrassing for the pilot concerned.

I don't know if an MOR was filed, but I would think so!

Maybe it was a pilot on an FAA license!

Manic Moran

xflyer wrote:

Maybe it was a pilot on an FAA license!

Given the amount of differences between the US and Ireland that I'm picking up here, I'm begining to wonder if it is even feasible for me as a recreational pilot to tootle around Irish airspace.

Controlled airspace anywhere I've flown begins at either 700 or 1,200ft AGL (in very rural areas 14,500ft), and there's no need for a flight plan until the flight levels start, up at FL180.

NTM

xflyer

Su Campu wrote: »

Maybe it was a pilot on an FAA license!

Actually the same thought occured to me, probably a newly minted FAA certified pilot who failed to check the regs. Ironically five hundred feet lower and he was legal.

MM, not sure about tootling around on a recreational licence but with an FAA private no problem. Actually airspace here isn't so complicated. In class G which is most of the country you can go up to FL75 without even talking to anyone if you wish. The transition altitude is commonly around FL65. Above FL75 it's class C where you do need a flight plan. The regional airports are class C too but you can transit them on a local flight plan, as in you call them before you get there. They usually accomodate you unless there's an Aer Arann carrying out a full procedural approach. The big airports are different of course. Not that complicated really.

In practical terms very few private pilots go much above 3000 feet here. So if you climb up to 3500 or 4000 you'll be on your own mostly. Of course our weather is partly to blame for that. Then there's the VFR rule, above 3000 you must remain 1000 feet vertically and 1500 metres horizontally from cloud. I'd say that rule is breached by every aircraft that goes above 3k.:rolleyes:

Stovepipe

Hi all,
Where I fly, around Kilrush Airfield, you can enter controlled airspace at 4500 feet and there are the danger zones of the Glen of Imaal and the Curragh and the prison at Portlaoise to think about. It's easy enough to enter controlled airspace if you are not paying attention, especially if you have a fast aircraft.
As xflyer says, it's actually a very easy and pleasant country to fly around in, as long as you keep an ear and an eye open and file as necessary. Our ATCOs tend to be a more relaxed bunch than overseas guys, in many ways, but you do get a few shouty types and, correspondingly, you do get pilots who try it on.
regards
Stovepipe