Macedonia v Ireland in HD?

El Inho

Just a quick question. Is the match on RTE 2 HD actually broacasting in HD or just upscaled SD.

amacachi

Pretty sure it'll just be upscaled HD. The HD stuff is still bits and pieces and testing and I'd imagine something like the match in HD wouldn't be attempted until everything else has been nailed down.

Minstrel27

Is it even available in HD?

El Inho

Minstrel27 wrote: »

Is it even available in HD?

well i know Sky have it on HD1

Minstrel27

Is it in HD though? Sky Sports HD channels upscale when a programme is not in HD.

amacachi

eldwaro wrote: »

well i know Sky have it on HD1

Doesn't mean it's actually HD. RTE will be showing it in upscaled HD, I can't imagine Sky saying if it's upscaled or real HD. The eye test is probably the only way to check.

amacachi

Picture on RTE2HD looks pretty damn good but I'm fairly sure it's upscaled rather than real HD. Haven't got SkyHD to check.

Minstrel27

Yes. It is absolutely being upscaled on RTÉ Two HD.

amacachi

Minstrel27 wrote: »

Yes. It is absolutely being upscaled on RTÉ Two HD.

Still, I have to admit I'm surprised at home good it looks. If nothing else the RTE SPORT logo in the top left gives it away though. :pac:

El Inho

Minstrel27 wrote: »

Yes. It is absolutely being upscaled on RTÉ Two HD.

Only thing i could put forward to debate it being true HD is that when i pressed info, it came up 1080 and said HD while rte1 said SD....

I know they might just be putting this up there but still..

The reason Im asking is people in the family are just interested to see what HD looks like...think there is a match in True HD tomorrow in the GAA?

copacetic

eldwaro wrote: »

well i know Sky have it on HD1

HD1 is just a simulcast of sports 1. They aren't using the HD logo on sky sports hd 1 anyway and it doesn't look HD, but it's still a 'HD' channel.

None of games this weekend are true HD on RTE.

Minstrel27

eldwaro wrote: »

Only thing i could put forward to debate it being true HD is that when i pressed info, it came up 1080 and said HD while rte1 said SD....

RTÉ Two HD will always say that as it is being upscaled to 1080i if not in true HD

JonathanAnon

well I've just upgraded from analog to digital.. so everything to me looks HD.. But the "HD" channel doesnt seem any better or worse to me... I only have a small enough screen, so maybe you would need a bigger screen to notice the difference?

SuperInfinity

If you can't even tell the difference between HD and SD then you shouldn't be allowed have a HD box/tv because there's no point. Not in the least bit having a go at any above poster or alleging they can't, just saying it as a general truism... it's a logical statement. In fact I'm sure everyone can tell the difference (though for 780 vs 576 I've always argued they are very similar).

I can't see why it wouldn't be put in HD, I don't see what's so complicated. The single reason why it mightn't be is because they'd surely have advertised it if it was true HD.

amacachi

SuperInfinity wrote: »

If you can't even tell the difference between HD and SD then you shouldn't be allowed have a HD box/tv because there's no point.

I can't see why it wouldn't be put in HD, I don't see what's so complicated. The single reason why it mightn't be is because they'd surely have advertised it if it was true HD.

If you don't see what's so complicated I'm wondering if there's any point explaining this.

Firstly the source must be HD. If the Macedonians are only providing an SD feed then all RTE can do is upscale it. Given that Sky apparently weren't showing the match in HD it would seem that no HD feed was available.
As well as that there's an extra step involved in broadcasting live HD from a foreign feed (if available) compared to broadcasting a HD feed from RTE itself. It's easy when testing for RTE to broadcast a film in HD, it's quite a bit harder to receive a HD feed and do all the processing etc. on the fly and broadcast it again. Since it's all still in its infancy there's plenty of testing still to be done and equipment to set up and tinker with.

amacachi

SuperInfinity wrote: »

(though for 780 vs 576 I've always argued they are very similar).

Do you mean 720 v 576? If that's the case it's funny since most of the HD broadcasting is in 1080i which is pretty much on par with 720p meaning that in some cases according to you there's little difference between HD and SD. Which is what you were just saying isn't the case.

JonathanAnon

SuperInfinity wrote: »

If you can't even tell the difference between HD and SD then you shouldn't be allowed have a HD box/tv because there's no point. Not in the least bit having a go at any above poster

Not much..

Seriously though, they have that HD stamped beside the RTE TWO up in the top right corner, I think it's fair to assume that the channel is broadcasting all the time in HD.. Can anybody confirm whether this just means that RTE TWO has the capability of broadcasting in HD or whether it actually broadcasts in HD all/any of the time.

SuperInfinity

amacachi wrote: »

If you don't see what's so complicated I'm wondering if there's any point explaining this.

Firstly the source must be HD. If the Macedonians are only providing an SD feed then all RTE can do is upscale it. Given that Sky apparently weren't showing the match in HD it would seem that no HD feed was available.
As well as that there's an extra step involved in broadcasting live HD from a foreign feed (if available) compared to broadcasting a HD feed from RTE itself. It's easy when testing for RTE to broadcast a film in HD, it's quite a bit harder to receive a HD feed and do all the processing etc. on the fly and broadcast it again. Since it's all still in its infancy there's plenty of testing still to be done and equipment to set up and tinker with.

This sounds like something coming from someone who has no idea what he's talking about. The only actual "reason" you've given is "processing etc." of the HD feed. I find it hard to imagine why the "processding etc." should be so hard for a live feed, but I suppose it could be the case. But you've presented me with no information or evidence of this.

"processing etc." :rolleyes:

amacachi wrote: »

Do you mean 720 v 576? If that's the case it's funny since most of the HD broadcasting is in 1080i which is pretty much on par with 720p meaning that in some cases according to you there's little difference between HD and SD. Which is what you were just saying isn't the case.

It is not what I was saying. I clearly the exact opposite. 720p is HD, did you not even know that? You are right that 720p is what Sky HD uses, 780p is also a common HD resolution.

It is grossly inaccurate to say that 1080i is "pretty much on par with 720p". 1080i is vastly superior. I have high resolution monitors but not a high resolution tv or sky box right now. So you can stuff your idea of how it's "funny" because you can either not even read or don't even know what HD resolution is.

You're wondering if there is any point in "explaining" it? You really shouldn't have bothered. What I ask is that you please don't spread misinformation, that is all I ask of the various trolls on the internet. If they want to try to "lure" me into an argument... fine. But it's the misinformation that I can't stand.

I do not wish to discuss any of this further with you. I am not impressed with your posts, so I believe I will bow out of this discussion. Don't bother yourself "trying to explain" it anymore.

chalkitdown1

HD talk is serious business.

Minstrel27

JonathanAnon wrote: »

Not much..

Seriously though, they have that HD stamped beside the RTE TWO up in the top right corner, I think it's fair to assume that the channel is broadcasting all the time in HD.. Can anybody confirm whether this just means that RTE TWO has the capability of broadcasting in HD or whether it actually broadcasts in HD all/any of the time.

IMO that should only be there when they are broadcasting in HD. But they have it there all the time, even when upscaling. BBC One are bad for this too. Channel 4 and ITV do it correctly. They only have the HD DOG on screen when it is actually HD.

amacachi

SuperInfinity wrote: »

This sounds like something coming from someone who has no idea what he's talking about. The only actual "reason" you've given is "processing etc." of the HD feed. I find it hard to imagine why the "processding etc." should be so hard for a live feed, but I suppose it could be the case. But you've presented me with no information or evidence of this.

"processing etc." :rolleyes:

Far more sophisticated equipment is used to process, edit etc. HD stuff compared to SD stuff. It's the reason Top Gear took so long to start broadcasting in HD. Have a look around, despite being recorded in HD they didn't have an editting suite capable of working with HD so they had to downscale it until the last few seasons.

It is not what I was saying. I clearly the exact opposite. 720p is HD, did you not even know that? You are right that 720p is what Sky HD uses, 780p is also a common HD resolution.

It is grossly inaccurate to say that 1080i is "pretty much on par with 720p". 1080i is vastly superior. I have high resolution monitors but not a high resolution tv or sky box right now. So you can stuff your idea of how it's "funny" because you can either not even read or don't even know what HD resolution is.

You said "(though for 780 vs 576 I've always argued they are very similar)." I then suggested you were saying that 720 and 576 are similar, which would be more likely.
In case you didn't know there's only about a 10% difference in bit rates between 720p and 1080i, so yes I'd say they're about on par. And since you're talking about 780p that actually would use a higher bit rate than 1080i, so would likely look better to most people. So we now have
a = 1080i
b = 780p
c = 576p

Since c and b are roughly equal (according to you) and b>a (simple bitrate fact) then it's fair to say that by your logic c>a.

I would disagree that 576p is better than 1080i, I'm just going by what you said.

You're wondering if there is any point in "explaining" it? You really shouldn't have bothered. What I ask is that you please don't spread misinformation, that is all I ask of the various trolls on the internet. If they want to try to "lure" me into an argument... fine. But it's the misinformation that I can't stand.

I do not wish to discuss any of this further with you. I am not impressed with your posts, so I believe I will bow out of this discussion. Don't bother yourself "trying to explain" it anymore.

Misinformation, lol. I don't know why more people haven't started their own TV shows. Maybe it's because unlike what you seem to believe there are capital costs involved.

copacetic

SuperInfinity wrote: »

It is not what I was saying. I clearly the exact opposite. 720p is HD, did you not even know that? You are right that 720p is what Sky HD uses, 780p is also a common HD resolution.

But it's the misinformation that I can't stand.

I do not wish to discuss any of this further with you. I am not impressed with your posts, so I believe I will bow out of this discussion. Don't bother yourself "trying to explain" it anymore.

720p is HD, but it's 1280x720, not 720x576 which is SD PAL. Sky uses 1080i. 780p isn't a resolution at all, never mind a common one.

For someone who can't stand misinformation that's some post.

SuperInfinity

copacetic wrote: »

720p is HD, but it's 1280x720, not 720x576 which is SD PAL. Sky uses 1080i. 780p isn't a resolution at all, never mind a common one.

For someone who can't stand misinformation that's some post.

I know that it's 1280x720 and not 720x576, I never said anything that would indicate I thought otherwise. I said there wasn't a huge difference between them, not that they were the exact same. I have no clue where you got that from.

780p IS a relatively common HD resolution, just rare compared to 720p and 1080i/p. Some tvs are 780p. And even if it weren't, it would STILL be a resolution. 519p is a resolution. What you are trying to argue is like saying 13m isn't a distance. Jesus.

I don't have a comment to make on amacachi's post.

copacetic

SuperInfinity wrote: »

780p IS a relatively common HD resolution, just rare compared to 720p and 1080i/p. Some tvs are 780p. And even if it weren't, it would STILL be a resolution. 519p is a resolution. What you are trying to argue is like saying 13m isn't a distance. Jesus.

No, it's not. It doesn't exist. HD formats are defined by SMPTE standards, that chipset and broadcast equipment manufacturers work from. They aren't just made up by random ill informed statements.

SuperInfinity

copacetic wrote: »

No, it's not. It doesn't exist. HD formats are defined by SMPTE standards, that chipset and broadcast equipment manufacturers work from. They aren't just made up by random ill informed statements.

"spat spat spat"

What's that I hear? The sound of fresh horse manure just coming out.

1) HD is commonly regarded as having a resolution of 720p or higher.

2) We weren't even talking about what defines HD, we were talking about what is a resolution. You clearly said 780p isn't a resolution period.

Now I've had enough of this foolishness, please don't talk to me again.

copacetic

SuperInfinity wrote: »

"spat spat spat"

What's that I hear? The sound of fresh horse manure just coming out.

1) HD is commonly regarded as having a resolution of 720p or higher.

2) We weren't even talking about what defines HD, we were talking about what is a resolution. You clearly said 780p isn't a resolution period.

Now I've had enough of this foolishness, please don't talk to me again.

Good of you to preface the production of more completely wrong tripe with a warning of what was coming. Much appreciated. Although I think people can tell what is coming just by seeing your user name..