How effective is anti-fog (cat-crap type) sprays and wax etc ?

bullets

I usually use full Mesh masks when I skirmish (on the rare occasions that I actually skirmish)

(I usually use full face protection when skirmishing and switch to a pair of glasses
when not actually skirmishing and chatting off of the play area while a game is live etc)
As it was hot today I wore lower mesh mask with Glasses. I thought since
I was not wearing a full lens type mask I would not have issues with fogging
but to my dismay even the glasses fogged up on me. and I had no anti-fog spray.

I also have a full facemask that's lens type. I've only ever wore it to test fit
to see if it was comfortable for a few mins and it fogged up big time
so never actually tried to skirmish with it.

I know ya can spit on yer mask lens to help and also Use the cat crap
type of anti-fog sprays but just how effective are they ?

will anti fog spray or wax eliminate fog
for a single game?

how often per a full days skirmish would you need to re-apply ?

How affective is it ?

ie if you apply it will you still get some fogging regardless of the product applied? and also will it only reduce the effects of fogging
or is there stuff out there that will actually eliminate fogging fully for a certain period of time ?

~B

ricka

I don't know the name of it Bullets but at Redbarn they're selling an anti fog liquid that's honestly the best I've seen.I used it a few weeks ago and my mask stayed fog free for the whole day with one application.I've been trying to get hold of some ever since.
I'm sure some guys will know a bit more about it and post here

Now that I think of it, I borrowed some off Michael from QAS.Might be worth asking them on their thread

damagegt

have a read through these threads you will find pretty much everything your looking for.
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=71746758
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=66473629
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=65522674
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=64034188

bullets

Thanks,

Must start experimenting when not out on a days skirmish so I wont
run into the whole change what you usually wear scenario.

Quite happy with full face mesh on most days but with the very odd Irish summer
we may be getting would like to have a fall back to wear something lighter
as in a pair of glasses and something to protect the pearly whites.

~B

ricka

I wouldn't as a rule give advice on skirmishing as I'm far from experienced, but from guys coming in and out of the shop that have used this stuff, they all swear by it! Wish I knew the name :rolleyes:

damagegt

Is it fog-tech?I find it to be the best and iv tried quite alot of them.But there will always be the day when nothing will work.So its a good idea to carry a mesh back up .I used full masks for along time and in the end found them so restrictive in so many ways.I now use Ess advance v12 vented goggles and absolutely love them.

ricka

damagegt wrote: »

Is it fog-tech?I find it to be the best and iv tried quite alot of them.But there will always be the day when nothing will work.So its a good idea to carry a mesh back up .I used full masks for along time and in the end found them so restrictive in so many ways.I now use Ess advance v12 vented goggles and absolutely love them.

Could be, I'll find out and come back on it.Full face masks agreed,they're pretty restrictive and i don't see a lot of the experienced guys ever buying them.Mesh seemed to be the most popular up till lately but I've noticed a return to regular goggles and glasses of late

damagegt

I think its just the majority of inexperienced players have some fear of been shot in the face.Everyone has heard some horror story and dont want it happening to them.But full mask restrict your view and been able to look down your sights/optics not to mention the over heating and restrictions on your hearing abd fogging if there not mesh.I find the less things on my face/head the better.The more freedom of movement the better.Ideally id love wire mesh goggles/glasses but I cant find them and it think its due the the small surface area which would have no structural integrity from an impact of a bb.You can get stamped steel but I find them block alot of the view.

Firekitten

as a long time glasses user, fog has been... somewhat of an issue. I've found Fogtech to be the most unbeatable solution there is. It works every time for atleast the whole day...
Nothing is entirely fog proof, if you warp your mouth up and expect it not to fog, its... yeah. I've used fogtech on a full face paintball style mask with a lens I use for cqb, and that works brilliantly too.

Wouldn't recomend anything else.

bullets

Thanks.

I like my mesh but not to the extent of overheating when its a very hot
or humid day.

When I used to do fencing we used mesh masks and one of the first things were were thought was to avoid the flinch reaction so they beat us over the head with sticks and prodded our faces with swords etc (with mask on of course) until we learned to accept we would be hit and not to flinch but to avoid or react quicker

With airsoft there was one occasion while wearing a mesh mask where I questioned if I should switch to Lens type or glasses and that was when I got some BB debris into the eye during a game after it shattered off the mask. There was no pain or damage it just felt like a tiny fly or speck of dust got into the eye but was enough to distract me during the game and
think to myself Damn! I dont like that!

~B

damagegt

I find both to have a range of pros and cons and really comes down to the individual and the day that's in it.The best advice I could give you is try as many different types of face/eye protection until you find one of each that works for you.That way you should be good to go no matter what the circumstances are.Don't scrimp on cost and use fog-tech for your lensed protection.

Airsoft Reloded

From my experience washing up liquid lasts longer than anything. In all the years we have been operating our customers have always worn full face masks so I seen a lot of different methods and we currently keep washing up liquid and tissue or a cloth on the desk for people to sort thier masks out.

damagegt

It does indeed work but I used it on a thermal lens full mask ( I know now I shouldnt have) and it removed/melted the thermal coating.Im not sure but I would think using any kind of chemical on a thermal lens would lead to the same results.Others might know better.Just something else to be cautious of.

Airsoft Reloded

damagegt wrote: »

It does indeed work but I used it on a thermal lens full mask ( I know now I shouldnt have) and it removed/melted the thermal coating.Im not sure but I would think using any kind of chemical on a thermal lens would lead to the same results.Others might know better.Just something else to be cautious of.

I've never heard of someone having that reaction, thats for that. I'll remember that in future

NakedDex

I've used the washing liquid solution on paintball sites a couple of times where there was no other option and hated it. It was somewhat effective (though not completely), but it marred visibility and stung my eyes like all hell.

In airsoft, I've had little to no fogging issues. This could be down to my goggle choice or simply that I don't wear shemaghs and whatnot. Wearing a anything around the mouth while wearing goggles results in instant fogging in my experienced (excluding mesh half-masks, I haven't tried those).

damagegt

It totally devolved the thermal coating on my JT flex 8 face mask.I dont know was it down to the type/brand of washing up liquid I use but it ruined the mask.

I agree with Dex on wearing anything around your head/face.I used mesh lower face mask with my ess v12's and it was the first time I saw any fog on them.If your worried about your teeth maybe a gum shield would help

richieffff

NakedDex wrote: »

(excluding mesh half-masks, I haven't tried those).

Fog like a b***ard, still directs some of the air into the glasses. I had to take apart an old mesh mask I had and use the mesh goggles from those as I couldn't see at all.

Lemming

Just to echo what FireKitten has said; I've been using Fog-tech exclusively since early 2009 on both a pair of ESS Advancer V12 goggles and ESS Ice 2.4 glasses with consistent results.

As with any anti-fog solution, you do need either lack of excess heat being dissipated into your eye-wear and/or a simple bit of a breeze to wick it all away if it does start to fog. There's no 100% solution that I'm aware of, as I've encountered a few times in dead heat in heavy forestry (hey, ho can anyone say Sweden in 35C dead heat during the middle of summer in 23 hours of daylight?) that no matter what you, there'll be some fogging albeit however brief. I always carry a j-cloth and small bottle of fog-tech, or sachet wipes of same for any in-game quiet moments where it really needs sorted.

Before trying fog-tech, I used cat-crap and it's not bad. Works for a while during a day's gaming at least before giving up the ghost, but the trick is in the application of it. Took me a while to figure out why it wasn't working for me ... I still have a tub of the stuff as an emergency back-up. But, to apply it properly does take quite a few minutes, unlike fog-tech which is apply & wipe/buff (or just wipe/apply with the pre-treated wipes)