10,000m Race of the year - Tomorrow Night @ Pre

ecoli

Galen Rupp (USA)
Chris Solinsky (USA) (AR holder 26.59)
Abdi Abdirahman (USA)
Mo Farah (Great Britain)
Alistair Cragg (Ireland)

Sileshe Sihine (Ethiopia)
Aylele Abshiro (Ethiopia)
Abebe Negera (Ethiopia)
Abera Kuma (Ethiopia)
Daniel Salel (Kenya)
Lucas Rotich (Kenya)
Zersenay Tedesse (Eritrea)
Teklemariam Medhin (Eritrea)
Kidane Tadesse (Eritrea)
John Kemboi Cheruyiot (Kenya)
Leonard Komon (Kenya) (10k Road WR Holder)
Matthew Kisorio (Kenya)
Paul Tanui (Kenya)
Hassan Mahboob (Bahrain)
Josphat Bett (Kenya)
Moses Masai (Kenya)
Joseph Ebuya (Kenya)
Mike Kigen (Kenya)
Denis Masai (Kenya)
Geoffrey Kipsang (Kenya)
Hosea Macharinyang (Ethiopia)
Imane Merga (Ethiopia)
Mark Kiptoo (Kenya)

Some of the worlds top talent in this one. Personally i see the American and British records going with the following three non african representatives going sub 27:

Galen Rupp (USA)
Chris Solinsky (USA)
Mo Farah (GB)


Tadesse and Komon have asked for a hot pace (13.18 5000m pace split) but I think an WR attempt just fall short.

Could be the perfect race for Cragg to tackle the Irish record as no pressure as he will be mid to back of the pack at best so long as he can finish (should do as will be looking to secure WC qualifying time)

G-Money

Is it on TV or streamed online per chance???

tunguska

Only one question man, is this bad boy being shown on tv? And by tv I mean regular tv not on one of those fancy digital channels.

G-Money

From what I can see this is part of the Diamond League meeting in Eugene but for some reason it's split over two days, with this race happening tomorrow and the main meeting happening on Saturday. I know BBC are showing the saturday meeting on the red button and online, but no word yet of the Friday part.

G-Money

Actually, the race is at 8.50pm PST which is 4.50am here :eek:

Pherekydes

Spectacular line-up, worthy of a World Championship (indeed, it may well beat the WC line-up since it's not limited by the silly 3 per nation rule), but

ecoli wrote: »

Personally i see the American and British records going with the following three non african representatives going sub 27:

Mo Farah (GB)

Non African?

woodchopper

Pherekydes wrote: »

Spectacular line-up, worthy of a World Championship (indeed, it may well beat the WC line-up since it's not limited by the silly 3 per nation rule), but



Non African?

So if I am born in a Dublin hospital but lived all my live in Kildare does this make me a Dub? after all I was born in Dublin

TheRoadRunner

woodchopper wrote: »

So if I am born in a Dublin hospital but lived all my live in Kildare does this make me a Dub? after all I was born in Dublin

If like mo farah you didn't move until you were 12 then yes you are a dub.

Pisco Sour

Pherekydes wrote: »

not limited by the silly 3 per nation rule



Non African?

Off topic, but why is it a silly rule?

Seeing a race full of people from 2-3 countries is not in the best interests of the sport and will do little to interest people who are not avid fans of track and field. It is a World Championships after all. Imagine an entire field of Ethiopians and Kenyans, with a token Tanzanian, Eritrean, Morrocan, and American. Hardly exciting for the casual viewer and doesnt give people from other countries really any reason to tune in (unless you are a die hard fan of course)!

Just because they have so many athletes who could run a qualifying standard doesn't mean they should be treated any differently. Like any other country, you need to be in their top 3 to make it. The fact it is tougher for them to make it is tough luck really. They will benefit from the tough competition to secure a place once they make the championships.

Should Brazil be entitled to 2 football teams at the World Cup? After all, there are so many great players who wont get to play in the greatest event in football, because of the silly 23 person per country rule. Its not different in athletics. The rules say a team for each event is 3 and that's the way it should be IMO.

G-Money

Would really like to see this race. Although I'd settle for watching it on repeat if I can avoid seeing the results anywhere.

Pherekydes

04072511 wrote: »

Off topic, but why is it a silly rule?

Seeing a race full of people from 2-3 countries is not in the best interests of the sport and will do little to interest people who are not avid fans of track and field. It is a World Championships after all. Imagine an entire field of Ethiopians and Kenyans, with a token Tanzanian, Eritrean, Morrocan, and American. Hardly exciting for the casual viewer and doesnt give people from other countries really any reason to tune in (unless you are a die hard fan of course)!

Just because they have so many athletes who could run a qualifying standard doesn't mean they should be treated any differently. Like any other country, you need to be in their top 3 to make it. The fact it is tougher for them to make it is tough luck really. They will benefit from the tough competition to secure a place once they make the championships.

Should Brazil be entitled to 2 football teams at the World Cup? After all, there are so many great players who wont get to play in the greatest event in football, because of the silly 23 person per country rule. Its not different in athletics. The rules say a team for each event is 3 and that's the way it should be IMO.

So you won't have much interest in the above race, then?

Me? I'd prefer the World Championships to involve the world's top athletes, regardless of where they're from.

Regarding the Soccer analogy, you can't really compare a team sport with an individual sport, but seeing as you are, New Zealand only qualified for the last WC because Australia elected to take part in the Asian qualifying group. Sort of similar to athletics, where athletes migrate to other countries to have a chance to run in the WC. So instead of limiting Kenya to 3 runners, we get 8 or 9 representing Qatar, Bahrain and other Gulf states.

Pisco Sour

Pherekydes wrote: »

So you won't have much interest in the above race, then?

Me? I'd prefer the World Championships to involve the world's top athletes, regardless of where they're from.

Regarding the Soccer analogy, you can't really compare a team sport with an individual sport, but seeing as you are, New Zealand only qualified for the last WC because Australia elected to take part in the Asian qualifying group. Sort of similar to athletics, where athletes migrate to other countries to have a chance to run in the WC. So instead of limiting Kenya to 3 runners, we get 8 or 9 representing Qatar, Bahrain and other Gulf states.

I would of course have an interest in this upcoming race. My point is, less enthusiastic, more casual fans, and the general public wont. Look at the World Cross Country. The popularity has decreased from when they changed from 6 per team to 9 per team. It was just a sea of East Africans at the front, and people began to lose interest.

For the world championships I like the way its 3 per team. You have to be good enough to qualify from your own country, you have to be one of the best 3 in your country, regardless of what that country is.

With regards the Qatar thing, that is a huge problem, and I really can't understand for the life of me why the IAAF and IOC allow it. Surely to compete for another country you should have been resident for 3 or 4 years in that country, or have a parent or grandparent from that country, something which would rule approximately 100% of East Africans out of running for middle eastern countries. It is a farce. But allowing 10 Kenyans run for Kenya in the world championships is unlikely to stop that. People will go where the money is, and Qatar have lots!

I'm amazed how Qatar and the like are getting away with this to be honest! What sort of loophole allows Said Shaheen to become a Qatary, when he has never lived there, already competed for Kenya, and has not one relative from Qatar (assumption of course).

dna_leri

tunguska wrote: »

Only one question man, is this bad boy being shown on tv? And by tv I mean regular tv not on one of those fancy digital channels.

Back on topic: I think that's a no.

woodchopper

TheRoadRunner wrote: »

If like mo farah you didn't move until you were 12 then yes you are a dub.

For such an experienced poster I am surprised with the following quote.

Firstly get your facts correct. Mo Farah moved to Britain from war torn Somalia at the age of 8 fleeing in terror like so many before him. Accordingly the crimes against humanity imposed by the Somalian tribes means that Mo Farah should not be allowed to compete for Britain in the upcoming Olympics. After all according to you he is Somalian. I guess Meb is not American either despite been educated like Mo in his adopted country. Who are you to judge whether Mo is British or not. I could simply say that a 3 hour marathon is a long jog but its not my place to say this.

woodchopper

Pherekydes wrote: »

So you won't have much interest in the above race, then?

Me? I'd prefer the World Championships to involve the world's top athletes, regardless of where they're from.

Regarding the Soccer analogy, you can't really compare a team sport with an individual sport, but seeing as you are, New Zealand only qualified for the last WC because Australia elected to take part in the Asian qualifying group. Sort of similar to athletics, where athletes migrate to other countries to have a chance to run in the WC. So instead of limiting Kenya to 3 runners, we get 8 or 9 representing Qatar, Bahrain and other Gulf states.

Name these 8 or 9 Kenyan athletes that run for the Gulfs.

Pherekydes

woodchopper wrote: »

For such an experienced poster I am surprised with the following quote.

Firstly get your facts correct. Mo Farah moved to Britain from war torn Somalia at the age of 8 fleeing in terror like so many before him. Accordingly the crimes against humanity imposed by the Somalian tribes means that Mo Farah should not be allowed to compete for Britain in the upcoming Olympics. After all according to you he is Somalian. I guess Meb is not American either despite been educated like Mo in his adopted country. Who are you to judge whether Mo is British or not. I could simply say that a 3 hour marathon is a long jog but its not my place to say this.

His nationality is British. That is not in question, but he's also originally African. Meb is also African with American nationality, just like Bernard Lagat. Did Lagat cease being Kenyan when he took out American citizenship?

Pherekydes

For any insomniacs, the official website is streaming live at:

PreClassic

TheRoadRunner

woodchopper wrote: »

For such an experienced poster I am surprised with the following quote.

Firstly get your facts correct. Mo Farah moved to Britain from war torn Somalia at the age of 8 fleeing in terror like so many before him. Accordingly the crimes against humanity imposed by the Somalian tribes means that Mo Farah should not be allowed to compete for Britain in the upcoming Olympics. After all according to you he is Somalian. I guess Meb is not American either despite been educated like Mo in his adopted country. Who are you to judge whether Mo is British or not. I could simply say that a 3 hour marathon is a long jog but its not my place to say this.

Firsly most of your posts stir crap so I am rising to the bait here a little. Secondly just because I post a lot does not mean I am always factually 100% correct. Thirdly the fact I was 4 years off isn't the main issue. However while he is fully entitled to run for britain I still consider him of African origin. Your posts won't change my opinion so good night woody you little scamp.

BeepBeep67

Farah won in 26:46 lowering the previous UK record by 32 secs. 10 finished sub 27. 62 last lap. Didn't see myself, will look for highlights later.

BeepBeep67

Last 100mts:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDJKSFLDwMk

Pisco Sour

How did Cragg get on?

G-Money

Hope the full replay is available online somewhere...

donothoponpop

04072511 wrote: »

How did Cragg get on?

DNF I'm afraid.

Results.

Pisco Sour

Cragg another DNF

http://www.diamondleague-eugene.com/Live-StartlistsResults/Overview/10000m-Men/

Mo Farah, from what I believe, has run the fastest ever 10000m by a person not born at altitude. Stunning run.

Caprica

Outstanding running by Farah. A new European record, 6 seconds of Mouritts time, 32 seconds of John Browns UK record, the best part of 40 seconds of his previous PB. 9 guys under 27mins. Sadly Cragg was a DNF, not sure when he dropped out. A total of 23 runners, all of them African born, surprised to see no American athletes competing

http://www.iaaf.org/competitions/dlm/eventcode=4736/sex=M/discCode=10K/result.html#M10K

donothoponpop

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQ6J1B46qEU

Last four laps

Woddle

Pherekydes wrote: »

For any insomniacs, the official website is streaming live at:

PreClassic

Just watched it from the start. Super race by Farrah, he didn't really get involved till about 7500m.
Delighted he beat Merga, Merga looked like he wanted a fight tonight bumping into everyone.

TheRoadRunner

Caprica wrote: »

Outstanding running by Farah. A new European record, 6 seconds of Mouritts time, 32 seconds of John Browns UK record, the best part of 40 seconds of his previous PB. 9 guys under 27mins. Sadly Cragg was a DNF, not sure when he dropped out. A total of 23 runners, all of them African born, surprised to see no American athletes competing

http://www.iaaf.org/competitions/dlm/eventcode=4736/sex=M/discCode=10K/result.html#M10K

An almost unbelievable run. Training with the US athletes has really brought him to another level. They must be doing something right!!!!!!!

rainbow kirby

Absolutely savage run from Farah there

shels4ever

TheRoadRunner wrote: »

An almost unbelievable run. Training with the US athletes has really brought him to another level. They must be doing something right!!!!!!!

Yep the stuff they are doing in training is really paying off for him now, wonder how it differs from what he was doing before.

BeepBeep67

shels4ever wrote: »

Yep the stuff they are doing in training is really paying off for him now, wonder how it differs from what he was doing before.

There's a 20 min special with Farah on Sky Player (could have been done in 5). A combination of conditioning and getting to
the right pace in the sessions plus running on a treadmill in a pool so he could build up his mileage with less stress. n

woodchopper

Its great to see Mo Farah put the Africans in their place. The Europeans can no longer be laughed at!

PS: He is only in America a few months but I reckon the rise in performance is all down to the alter g and of course some new core exercises! Sometimes it takes a different training environment to extract a new level of performance. After all Mo has been training in Kenya for years with Micah Kogo, olympic bronze medalist in the 10,000.

No need for name calling Roadrunner, this is not lets run!

wgtomblin

Caprica wrote: »

Outstanding running by Farah. A new European record, 6 seconds of Mouritts time, 32 seconds of John Browns UK record, the best part of 40 seconds of his previous PB. 9 guys under 27mins. Sadly Cragg was a DNF, not sure when he dropped out. A total of 23 runners, all of them African born, surprised to see no American athletes competing

http://www.iaaf.org/competitions/dlm/eventcode=4736/sex=M/discCode=10K/result.html#M10K

Brilliant race. Fantastic performance and result for Farah, Great Britain and Europe.

Solinsky started for US but DNF. Rupp DNS , apparently due to high pollen count, which particularly affects him.

G-Money

Was it just me or did that race seem easy for Mo Farah? He must be a real threat now for medals at the world championships this summer and the Olympics next year.

cwgatling

Woddle wrote: »

Just watched it from the start. Super race by Farrah, he didn't really get involved till about 7500m.
Delighted he beat Merga, Merga looked like he wanted a fight tonight bumping into everyone.

Yep, Merga was acting like a brat. Delighted for Farah.

robinph

Wow. That was in impressive race to watch, I think it was probably better to watch actually knowing the eventual winner. He was absolutely nowhere to be seen for the majority of the race, a couple of meters off the back of the pack and third from last for a lot of it. Somehow managed to respond to the guys picking up the pace at the front of the pack to split it up whilst he was still at the back, then he just came flying through.

Of course it's all down to the tips I gave him when I let him beat me last Monday in London.

myflipflops

Superb run. He's supposed to be a pretty good guy so happy to see it.

I wouldn't be going out of my way to give all (or even the majority) of the credit to his switching to the US. While he knocked 40 odd seconds of his PB, that figure is misleading as this is really the first quick 10k that Farah has attempted. Last year he ran the European Cup 10k purely for a European qualifying time (soloing 27.28 to win by over 30 seconds) and then he won the Euro champs 10k pretty much at his ease. After that, he went and broke the British 5k record in 12.57. If you look at the 3 guys ahead of him on the European all time list for 5k, Mourhit (great to see Farah take this guys name off the 10k record) and Baumann are proven drug cheats and I shall refrain from comment on Bezabeh. I would guess that he had a sub 27 minute 10k in him on the track last summer.

People will be rushing out to talk up the influence of Niketown, of the Alter G technology and of the coaching ticket but Farahs previous training situation in Kenya still has an enormous amount to do with it.

myflipflops

woodchopper wrote: »

Name these 8 or 9 Kenyan athletes that run for the Gulfs.

Here's 9 of them anyway. I reckon i can put together a much bigger list.

Saif Saaeed Shaheen (Stephen Cherono - Qatar)
Yusuf Saad Kamel (Gregory Konchellah - Bahrain)
James Kwalia C'Kurui (Qatar)
Ahmad Hassan Abdullah (Albert Chepkurui -Qatar)
Felix Kikwai Kibore (Qatar))
Gamal Belal Salem (Thomas Katui - Qatar)
Essa Ismail Rashed (Daniel Kipkosgei - Qatar)
Edwin Chebii (Bahrain)
Isaac Kemboi Chelimo (Bahrain)

Pisco Sour

myflipflops wrote: »

and Baumann are proven drug cheats

Wasn't Baumann's case a bit different and it was admitted later that he probably didn't intend to cheat and could have been set up? Wasn't he very outspoken about drug cheats and anti-drugs, like Paula Radcliffe is? I remember reading about Paula Radcliffe's thoughts on the whole thing and how she may want to keep a lower profile about her anti-drugs stance as it could attract people willing to set her up, like Baumann claimed was done to him.

Or am I just incredibly naive?

myflipflops

04072511 wrote: »

Wasn't Baumann's case a bit different and it was admitted later that he probably didn't intend to cheat and could have been set up? Wasn't he very outspoken about drug cheats and anti-drugs, like Paula Radcliffe is? I remember reading about Paula Radcliffe's thoughts on the whole thing and how she may want to keep a lower profile about her anti-drugs stance as it could attract people willing to set her up, like Baumann claimed was done to him.

Or am I just incredibly naive?

I would say naive but I'm a major cynic. It was a slightly strange case though.

Personally, I don't believe his toothpaste story any more than LaShawn Merritt and his male enhancement pill, Janine Whitlock and her spiked drink or any of the other excuses people came out with.

Pisco Sour

myflipflops wrote: »

I would say naive but I'm a major cynic. It was a slightly strange case though.

Personally, I don't believe his toothpaste story any more than LaShawn Merritt and his male enhancement pill, Janine Whitlock and her spiked drink or any of the other excuses people came out with.

I believe Alain Baxter however, the GB skiier who got bronze in Salt Lake City because of an inhaler. I think they admitted after that he wasn't trying to cheat, but never gave him back his medal. I feel sorry for him. Anytime he is asked to talk about it you can see that he is haunted by the experience.

Most excuses are BS though. However every now and again there is the clean athlete who fails a test for whatever reason, and it's sad that their story is never believed because of all the liers and their ridiculous excuses.