Lying

StrawberryJazz

I've been trying forever and still have had no luck with jobs.
Not to go too personal into it but I have lots of irrelevant experience for retail but it shows Im responsible, committed, a team player etc...

Between the long and the short, nobody will hire me because of my lack of retail experience. However I have to start somewhere but nobody wants to give me the chance.

Considering its remedial work I'm after...should I lie on my C.V.?

Im against it morally but for it financially....

the_syco

StrawberryJazz wrote: »

I've been trying forever and still have had no luck with jobs.
Not to go too personal into it but I have lots of irrelevant experience for retail but it shows Im responsible, committed, a team player etc...

It sounds like you are wording it wrongly, then. Maybe the buzzwords you are using are the wrong ones?

Oranage2

StrawberryJazz wrote: »

I've been trying forever and still have had no luck with jobs.
Not to go too personal into it but I have lots of irrelevant experience for retail but it shows Im responsible, committed, a team player etc...

Between the long and the short, nobody will hire me because of my lack of retail experience. However I have to start somewhere but nobody wants to give me the chance.

Considering its remedial work I'm after...should I lie on my C.V.?

Im against it morally but for it financially....

Do it - retail isnt hard and it wont be obvious that you lied on your CV that you have no experience!

depending what type of retail but if its a supermarket - say you worked i a small shop for 2 years thats no longer open - ie. packing away sweets, magazines and bottles of coke and that you did a small bit of till training - give aunty's number but pretend its was a the owner or manager or something -

if its a clothes shop then say you worked in a small boutique for 2 years thats no longer open and that you folded and put out clothes as well a bit of till training -

they'll ring and just ask basic questions like time keeping/attentence, a moment you were exceptional, a moment she had to deal with an angry customer - so prep your reference so your stories are some what similar

CoolGirl101

Is this illegal, and if so, are there serious consequences?

Oranage2

CoolGirl101 wrote: »

Is this illegal, and if so, are there serious consequences?

Not sure if its legal

as for consequences - if its only for retail then the only serious consequece is that you get the job -


Obviously dont say you're the CEO of a bank then apply for a bank job cause you may go to jail for that.

SuperSean11

Maybe offer to work for free for a short time to show your capable of doing the job and if that doesnt work out ya could always use that work as an example of retail experience.

the_syco

SuperSean11 wrote: »

Maybe offer to work for free for a short time to show your capable of doing the job and if that doesnt work out ya could always use that work as an example of retail experience.

There's always work for the suckers that will work for free. Oh, and 6 months is pretty much the minimum you have to work for it to be seen as "experience"... If you said you worked anywhere for two weeks, it could've been a) the two weeks training b) you got sacked c) you quit - none of which looks good.

Pixie001

How are you applying for the jobs? Are you walking into a shop and handing in your cv? If so, use this opportunity to chat with a manager/owner/senior person etc when giving them your cv. Treat it as a mini-interview - ask what the job entails and slip in a few examples of how you think you could cope with/handle the job.

If you are applying over the internet, then maybe you should - as suggested above - re-look at the wording of your cv. Also make sure that the layout is correct and highlights your most relevant experience. Hope this helps

tHE vAGGABOND

"sexing up" your CV is very common, and loads and loads of people do it.

For my first ever job after I left college I totally made up a company and a job that I did in America, and gave the contact details as a buddy of mine over there - basically saying I was this database genius! [these days with the internet and google, doing this would be a damn sight harder]

That said, if you get the job, and they realise you lied on your CV and/or application they can pretty much sack you on the spot - so you have to be careful..

But for folks out of work it should all be about getting your foot in the door and doing *anything* to get your foot in the door ahead of the 100's and 1000's of other people...

Once your foot is in the door, work your arse off, so they will laugh about it when/if they find out about the lies..

StrawberryJazz

Pixie001 wrote: »

How are you applying for the jobs? Are you walking into a shop and handing in your cv? If so, use this opportunity to chat with a manager/owner/senior person etc when giving them your cv. Treat it as a mini-interview - ask what the job entails and slip in a few examples of how you think you could cope with/handle the job.

If you are applying over the internet, then maybe you should - as suggested above - re-look at the wording of your cv. Also make sure that the layout is correct and highlights your most relevant experience. Hope this helps

Oh trust me I apply online, I phone up and I call in. I do all the standard dressing well and being polite and interested etc . . . IM DOOOOOMED:(

bob the bob

They may ask for a p45 or p60, what will you do then?

Tigger

Oranage2 wrote: »

Do it - retail isnt hard

Oranage2 wrote: »

as for consequences - if its only for retail then the only serious consequece is that you get the job -

you've workrd in retail then?

Oranage2

Tigger wrote: »

you've workrd in retail then?

Yes -over 3 years

supersheeps

Don't lie on your cv or in interviews!!! If you get caught out, you will be fired, and you're back at square one. Don't say that you worked in a place that has closed down either, Ireland's a small place, I interviewed someone once who told me all about her past job in a small boutique, really talked the talk, one of my colleagues had worked there, her face when i mentioned that in passing was priceless!!! And she didn't get the job...
Take another look at your cv, better still, get someone else to, it's your selling tool and your first impression.

Oranage2

supersheeps wrote: »

Don't lie on your cv or in interviews!!! If you get caught out, you will be fired, and you're back at square one. Don't say that you worked in a place that has closed down either, Ireland's a small place, I interviewed someone once who told me all about her past job in a small boutique, really talked the talk, one of my colleagues had worked there, her face when i mentioned that in passing was priceless!!! And she didn't get the job...
Take another look at your cv, better still, get someone else to, it's your selling tool and your first impression.

Would you have gave her an interview if she didnt say she worked at the shop?

userod

StrawberryJazz wrote: »

I've been trying forever and still have had no luck with jobs.
Not to go too personal into it but I have lots of irrelevant experience for retail but it shows Im responsible, committed, a team player etc...

Between the long and the short, nobody will hire me because of my lack of retail experience. However I have to start somewhere but nobody wants to give me the chance.

Considering its remedial work I'm after...should I lie on my C.V.?

Im against it morally but for it financially....

Go for it. You'll have plenty in here that will be on a high horse and give you a lecture. A little white lie probably won't hurt anyone and you need any advantage you can get these times.

Jigglypuff

bob the bob wrote: »

They may ask for a p45 or p60, what will you do then?

This is an important point, if you had really worked somewhere for two years you should have a P45 and P60, and so without that the manager may quickly realise you were lying when s/he goes to work out your taxes.

Unless you say the job was abroad, or concoct some story whereby you for some reason don't have the right documents, but still, bear this point in mind!

supersheeps

Oranage2 wrote: »

Would you have gave her an interview if she didnt say she worked at the shop?

I gave her the interview only partly because of the "experience" she listed, but also because she seemed friendly and enthusiastic when handing in the cv. However, she ended up just wasting my time once I realised what was going on. Good interview up to then, shame she lied. Probably the hardest, toughest thing I've ever had to do in my job is fire somebody who told a little lie about a bit of work experience in her cv and inital interview, but after a few months was found out. I'd built up a great working relationship with her, but the H.O reasoning was that she couldn't be trusted. Now I'm ultra-cynical when reading cvs!!

CoolGirl101

supersheeps wrote: »

I gave her the interview only partly because of the "experience" she listed, but also because she seemed friendly and enthusiastic when handing in the cv. However, she ended up just wasting my time once I realised what was going on. Good interview up to then, shame she lied. Probably the hardest, toughest thing I've ever had to do in my job is fire somebody who told a little lie about a bit of work experience in her cv and inital interview, but after a few months was found out. I'd built up a great working relationship with her, but the H.O reasoning was that she couldn't be trusted. Now I'm ultra-cynical when reading cvs!!

It seems unfair that if she done the job so great for months, you weren't any the wiser, so she was obviously capable, yet you still fired her...
Obviously I understand a lie is a lie, but she proved herself reliable, and you still fired her.. It just seems so unfair.

Denerick

supersheeps wrote: »

I gave her the interview only partly because of the "experience" she listed, but also because she seemed friendly and enthusiastic when handing in the cv. However, she ended up just wasting my time once I realised what was going on. Good interview up to then, shame she lied. Probably the hardest, toughest thing I've ever had to do in my job is fire somebody who told a little lie about a bit of work experience in her cv and inital interview, but after a few months was found out. I'd built up a great working relationship with her, but the H.O reasoning was that she couldn't be trusted. Now I'm ultra-cynical when reading cvs!!

A monkey can do a retail job (I'm one of those aforementioned monkey's) so I think its highly unfair to sack someone over telling a lie because the experience is essentially irrelevant provided they aren't mentally retarded or something like that.

Oranage2

supersheeps wrote: »

I gave her the interview only partly because of the "experience" she listed, but also because she seemed friendly and enthusiastic when handing in the cv. However, she ended up just wasting my time once I realised what was going on. Good interview up to then, shame she lied. Probably the hardest, toughest thing I've ever had to do in my job is fire somebody who told a little lie about a bit of work experience in her cv and inital interview, but after a few months was found out. I'd built up a great working relationship with her, but the H.O reasoning was that she couldn't be trusted. Now I'm ultra-cynical when reading cvs!!

I'd be ultra cynical over this story - Noway did you just fire her without some kind of major enquiry - I'd say it it's a possiblitily this could have happened but if you never have found out she would have have worked there happily ever after - and noway if she didnt lie would she have got the job esp in this current climate!

Agent Smith

Oranage2 wrote: »

Obviously dont say you're the CEO of a bank then apply for a bank job cause you may go to jail for that.

No, In Ireland You get a large salary and a team of even more grossly incompetent people working for you

Jim2007

Oranage2 wrote: »

I'd be ultra cynical over this story - Noway did you just fire her without some kind of major enquiry - I'd say it it's a possiblitily this could have happened but if you never have found out she would have have worked there happily ever after - and noway if she didnt lie would she have got the job esp in this current climate!

You seem to have very little experience on the hiring side... In 20+ years I've seen 3 or possible 4 situations where people were let go as a result of some tall tales on resumes. One was a person with about 6 years of service and two promotions - he stated he had gone to a better middle school (= Secondary school) than he had and of course someone joined who should have been in his year...

Obtaining a position through deception is almost always valid grounds for termination and I've yet to here of a company who is willing to over look it.

Jim.

StrawberryJazz

Just to let ye know, I recently had an interview and went with my gut instinct.
Being completely honest seems to have worked in my favour and set me apart from all the "six months here and there" dodgy experience. In fact it put me in the same bracket as those who have years legit experience!
Waiting to hear back now but received very positive feedback on the day from the interviewers. It would seem honestly is the most valued asset in small businesses

Needler

Jim2007 wrote: »

he stated he had gone to a better middle school (= Secondary school) than he had and of course someone joined who should have been in his year...

Eh?

A secondary school is a secondary school lad

Jim2007

Needler wrote: »

Eh?

A secondary school is a secondary school lad

You are assuming that I was talking about Ireland - I was not!

Jim (Switzerland)

Mrs OBumble

Oranage2 wrote: »

I'd be ultra cynical over this story - Noway did you just fire her without some kind of major enquiry - I'd say it it's a possiblitily this could have happened but if you never have found out she would have have worked there happily ever after - and noway if she didnt lie would she have got the job esp in this current climate!

I wouldn't by cynical at all - sounds totally believable IMHO.

Most large companies have a line on the application form saying that providing wrong information on the form is ground for sacking. So it should be too.

jackiebaron

supersheeps wrote: »

Don't lie on your cv or in interviews!!! If you get caught out, you will be fired, and you're back at square one. Don't say that you worked in a place that has closed down either, Ireland's a small place, I interviewed someone once who told me all about her past job in a small boutique, really talked the talk, one of my colleagues had worked there, her face when i mentioned that in passing was priceless!!! And she didn't get the job...
Take another look at your cv, better still, get someone else to, it's your selling tool and your first impression.

Ah FFS.....Lie away. If you get found out and fired, so what. They may never find out and even if they do find out they may be sympathetic and grudgingly acknowledge your initiative.
And that's only if they find out. Which is better ... be in a job that you lied to get or be sitting on your hole unemployed because you were "honest"???

FCUK THAT!

jackiebaron

supersheeps wrote: »

I gave her the interview only partly because of the "experience" she listed, but also because she seemed friendly and enthusiastic when handing in the cv. However, she ended up just wasting my time once I realised what was going on. Good interview up to then, shame she lied. Probably the hardest, toughest thing I've ever had to do in my job is fire somebody who told a little lie about a bit of work experience in her cv and inital interview, but after a few months was found out. I'd built up a great working relationship with her, but the H.O reasoning was that she couldn't be trusted. Now I'm ultra-cynical when reading cvs!!

You sound like a bit of a stick-in-the-mud to be honest. This is a job is a fcuking shop....not exactly working for MI5.

ztoical

bob the bob wrote: »

They may ask for a p45 or p60, what will you do then?

If your taking about adding some stuff to a CV just for retail then saying you worked in a local shop in some small town down the country would most likely be cash in hand with no p45/p60.

Jim2007

jackiebaron wrote: »

You sound like a bit of a stick-in-the-mud to be honest. This is a job is a fcuking shop....not exactly working for MI5.

So you'd be happy to discover that you lost out on a job because the other applicant was a better at fairy stories would you?

The people I know would expect a fair process when they apply for a job.

Jim