consultants pay

femur61

On Sunday my friend who is a doctor went back to the UK and during the week I was dropping my child at a friend’s house yesterday who is a consultant and the difference in their lifestyle is enormous. The UK doctor works for the NHS (£85) and he was telling me his wage and comparing this to the wages doctors and consultants here (€250 min) get boarders on criminal. How did they get such a huge wage and we only have a fraction of the population? Also, private work done by consultants adds another €100-€200/ year depending on area.

Cutting oversea aid, cutting wages, raising taxes how can some sections in society be left untouched while others are suffering.

RichardAnd

I've always believed that consultant wages here are incredible. The argument for them being so high is that is they were low, we wouldn't attract "the best" into those positions. This is the same argument used by anyone in this country who feels themselves to be worthy of incredibly high wages.

As to why wages reached that level? Well, it's like everything else in this country; things just got out of hand. Consultant pay climbing so high is the product of the exact same mentality and sense of entitlement that led to wages, welfare rates, costs of living and much more besides reaching unsustainable levels.

bamboozle

aside from Consultants pay, the money being handed over by the HSE to GP's in relation to treating medical card holders needs to be slashed also.

irishh_bob

the number of consultants who can presently practice is capped , therefore , those who are on short supply benefit greatly

Kevo

irishh_bob wrote: »

the number of consultants who can presently practice is capped , therefore , those who are on short supply benefit greatly

Not sure I agree with this. There are many doctors competing to get a position as a consultant. I would expect this to force the pay rate down if there is a limited number of jobs. Obviously this is not the case so I expect that there is some other reason.

dissed doc

irishh_bob wrote: »

the number of consultants who can presently practice is capped , therefore , those who are on short supply benefit greatly

Capped by who/what?

dissed doc

femur61 wrote: »

On Sunday my friend who is a doctor went back to the UK and during the week I was dropping my child at a friend’s house yesterday who is a consultant and the difference in their lifestyle is enormous. The UK doctor works for the NHS (£85) and he was telling me his wage and comparing this to the wages doctors and consultants here (€250 min) get boarders on criminal. How did they get such a huge wage and we only have a fraction of the population? Also, private work done by consultants adds another €100-€200/ year depending on area.

Cutting oversea aid, cutting wages, raising taxes how can some sections in society be left untouched while others are suffering.

Your friend is talking BS, but it's out of naiivety.

Average NHS salary: UK£120,000 (http://blogs.independent.co.uk/2011/01/07/nhs-consultants-are-they-really-stuffed-with-gold/
- Net monthly income of UK£6100

Salary of new HSE consultants (there is no point system or bonuses like in the NHS): €156,000 (if working outside of Ireland before applying - this reduced salary was decided by the HSE).
- Net monthly income of €6000 if you are moving to Ireland
- Net income of €6600 if you are a consultant alreayd in Ireland (Salary is €177000)


So, it's complete bull****, and explains why no, there are not hudnreds or even tens or even perhaps a handful of UK consultants moving to Ireland. Would you rather earn the pounds in the UK, or the euros in Ireland?

sollar

Why do we not have lots more consultants and pay less. The arguement of pay peanuts and gets monkies is not good enough. Surely we are not a stupid people who are not capable of becoming consultants.

Train more of them.

irishh_bob

sollar wrote: »

Why do we not have lots more consultants and pay less. The arguement of pay peanuts and gets monkies is not good enough. Surely we are not a stupid people who are not capable of becoming consultants.

Train more of them.

politics , the consultants and doctor lobby is very strong , why do you think the cost of employing a builder has fallen so much in the past few years , because thier is such a surplus of them with little to do , if thier were a cap on the number of brickies who can build houses , the cost of employing one would still be steep

Delancey

dissed doc wrote: »

Your friend is talking BS, but it's out of naiivety.

Average NHS salary: UK£120,000 (http://blogs.independent.co.uk/2011/01/07/nhs-consultants-are-they-really-stuffed-with-gold/
- Net monthly income of UK£6100

Salary of new HSE consultants (there is no point system or bonuses like in the NHS): €156,000 (if working outside of Ireland before applying - this reduced salary was decided by the HSE).
- Net monthly income of €6000 if you are moving to Ireland
- Net income of €6600 if you are a consultant alreayd in Ireland (Salary is €177000)


So, it's complete bull****, and explains why no, there are not hudnreds or even tens or even perhaps a handful of UK consultants moving to Ireland. Would you rather earn the pounds in the UK, or the euros in Ireland?

The above seems to disregard the potential for large earnings from private patients - such opportunities would not be as available in the UK.

Nonoperational

sollar wrote: »

Why do we not have lots more consultants and pay less. The arguement of pay peanuts and gets monkies is not good enough. Surely we are not a stupid people who are not capable of becoming consultants.

Train more of them.

Because every extra doctor you qualify ends up costing the health service more. More prescriptions, support staff, procedure etc. It's not doctors wages that are the big drain at all.

This thread is suggesting that Irish consultants earn three times as much as their colleagues in the UK. Not true.