Another anthropogenic climate change debate thread

jakdelad

Are you sitting down?


Okay, here's the bombshell. The volcanic eruption in Iceland, since its first spewing of volcanic ash has, in just FOUR DAYS, NEGATED EVERY SINGLE EFFORT you have made in the past five years to control CO2 emissions on our planet, all of you.

Of course you know about this evil carbon dioxide that we are trying to suppress, that vital chemical compound that every plant requires to live and grow, and to synthesize into oxygen for us humans, and all animal life.

I know, it's very disheartening to realize that all of the carbon emission savings you have accomplished while suffering the inconvenience and expense of: driving Prius hybrids, buying fabric grocery bags, sitting up till midnight to finish your kid's "The Green Revolution" science project, throwing out all of your non-green cleaning supplies, using only two squares of toilet paper, putting a brick in your toilet tank reservoir, selling your SUV and speedboat, vacationing at home instead of abroad, nearly getting hit every day on your bicycle, replacing all of your 50 cents light bulbs with $10.00 light bulbs...well, all of those things you have done have all gone down the tubes in just four days.

The volcanic ash emitted into the Earth's atmosphere in just four days - yes - FOUR DAYS ONLY by that volcano in Iceland, has totally erased every single effort you have made to reduce the evil beast, carbon. And there are around 200 active volcanoes on the planet spewing out this crud any one time - EVERY DAY.

I don't really want to rain on your parade too much, but I should mention that when the volcano Mt Pinatubo erupted in the Philippines in 1991, it spewed out more greenhouse gases into the atmosphere than the entire human race had emitted in its entire YEARS on earth. Yes folks, Mt Pinatubo was active for over one year, think about it.

Of course I shouldn't spoil this touchy-feely tree-hugging moment and mention the effect of solar and cosmic activity and the well-recognized 800-year global heating and cooling cycle, which keep happening, despite our completely insignificant efforts to affect climate change.

And I do wish I had a silver lining to this volcanic ash cloud but the fact of the matter is that the bush fire season across the western USA and Australia this year alone will negate your efforts to reduce carbon in our world for the next two to three years. And it happens every year.

Just remember that your government just tried to impose a whopping carbon tax on you on the basis of the bogus ''human-caused'' climate change scenario.

Hey, isn't it interesting how they don't mention ''Global Warming'' any more, but just ''Climate Change'' - you know why? It's because the planet has COOLED by 0.7 degrees in the past century and these global warming bull artists got caught with their pants down.

And just keep in mind that you might yet have an Emissions Trading Scheme (that whopping new tax)
imposed on you, that will achieve absolutely nothing except make you poorer. It won't stop any volcanoes from erupting, that's for sure.

But hey, relax, give the world a hug and have a nice day!

PS: I wonder if Iceland is buying carbon offsets?

Judgement Day

Any references to back up your claims?

Capt'n Midnight

Ice cores from Greenland and Anatartica show that CO2 levels are at their highest for the last 800,000 years. This would include the Yellowstone super eruption 640,000 years ago, the Toba supereruption which nearly wiped ou tthe hman race and the Oruanui eruption

Macha

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djpbarry

jakdelad wrote: »

Are you sitting down?


Okay, here's the bombshell. The volcanic eruption in Iceland, since its first spewing of volcanic ash has, in just FOUR DAYS, NEGATED EVERY SINGLE EFFORT you have made in the past five years to control CO2 emissions on our planet, all of you.

You might want to check the validity of such claims before copying & pasting a wall of text into a post. It has been consistently shown that CO2 emissions derived from human activity exceed those from volcanic eruptions by approximately two orders of magnitude:

Capt'n Midnight

Macha wrote: »

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you forget to prepend the "yet"

jakdelad

Judgement Day wrote: »

Any references to back up your claims?

not to confuse you
the big black ugly stuff billowing into the iceland skys
and the fact every airport in europe closed because of ityou may have heard of it

also
Professor Ian Plimer (a member of the School of Earth and Environmental Sciences at the University of Adelaide. He is also a joint member of the School of Civil, Environmental and Mining Engineering) could not have said it better!

If you've read his book you will agree, this is a good summary.

jakdelad

djpbarry wrote: »

You might want to check the validity of such claims before copying & pasting a wall of text into a post. It has been consistently shown that CO2 emissions derived from human activity exceed those from volcanic eruptions by approximately two orders of magnitude:

any references to back up your claims????

Scrappychimow

relax, give the world a hug and have a nice day!

What are you trying to say? that people should not try to stop environmental degradation?

You are saying antropogenic actions are not damaging the environment?

What do you have to say about ozone depletion einstein?

djpbarry

jakdelad wrote: »

not to confuse you
the big black ugly stuff billowing into the iceland skys
and the fact every airport in europe closed because of ityou may have heard of it

How much CO2 was emitted?

jakdelad wrote: »

also
Professor Ian Plimer (a member of the School of Earth and Environmental Sciences at the University of Adelaide. He is also a joint member of the School of Civil, Environmental and Mining Engineering) could not have said it better!

If you've read his book you will agree, this is a good summary.

Instructing other posters to read a book is not a meaningful response.

jakdelad wrote: »

any references to back up your claims????

Sure:

Assuming as lower limit for a global subaerial volcanic degassing 300 Mt/year, the lithosphere may emit directly into the atmosphere at least 600 Mt CO2/year (about 10% of the C source due to deforestation and land-use exchange), an estimate we still consider conservative.

Your turn.

Capt'n Midnight

jakdelad wrote: »

not to confuse you

I've posted links that show that even volcanoes that covered 2/3rds of the USA with ash meters deep didn't cause a CO2 increase as bad as recent human activity.

the big black ugly stuff billowing into the iceland skys
and the fact every airport in europe closed because of ityou may have heard of it

again I use the ASH word. Engines have no problem with rain or cabon dioxide don't like ingesting solids.

also
Professor Ian Plimer (a member of the School of Earth and Environmental Sciences at the University of Adelaide. He is also a joint member of the School of Civil, Environmental and Mining Engineering) could not have said it better!

If you've read his book you will agree, this is a good summary.

This wouldn't be the same Professor Ian Plimer who is chairman of the board of TNT mines would it ?


http://www.theage.com.au/business/a-resourceful-climate-sceptic-20100212-nxnp.html

Since late 2007, Plimer has been a non-executive director of Ivanhoe Australia, the ASX-listed subsidiary of colourful mining entrepreneur Robert Friedland's Ivanhoe Mines. Ivanhoe's major Cloncurry Project in Queensland has prospective copper, gold, lead zinc, silver and uranium deposits.

Ivanhoe Australia raised $125 million to float at $2 a share in 2008 and was trading around $3.12 yesterday. On top of directors' fees ($50,000 last year, plus super) Plimer received, at the time of the float, 100,000 performance rights, convertible to a free share in the company at the rate of 25,000 a year for four years.

Late last year Plimer converted the first half of those rights into ordinary shares - worth about $156,000 at yesterday's prices. So his total stake would be worth double that at current prices.

Plimer is also a director of ASX-listed CBH Resources, which has zinc, lead and silver mining interests in WA and NSW. Its last annual report shows CBH paid Plimer more than $125,000 in 2009 and $181,003 in 2008. He also indirectly holds more than 3.7 million CBH Resources shares, which, at yesterday's price of 13.5¢, would be worth about $502,000.

Plimer is also on the board of tiny British-listed Kefi Minerals, which is exploring for gold and copper in Turkey.

http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/1816194.html

Accompanying Lord Monckton as a speaker at many of the venues, including Perth and Brisbane, was the University of Adelaide mining geologist Professor Ian Plimer, who is also non-executive director at CBH Resources and Ivanhoe Australia, a director of UK-listed Kefi Minerals, a director of Australia-based coal gas company Ormil Energy and chairman of tin mining company TNT Limited.

But it's OK since he says there isn't a confilct of interest. And it's not like the mining industry are a major source of CO2

http://www.minecost.com/Carbon_Emissions_ME.pdf

Primary metals production is a carbon-intensive busi-
ness. Total CO2 emitted by the sample of mines and metal-
lurgical plants producing 90 percent or more of western
world copper, lead, zinc and nickel in 2007 was some 92.3
Mt (102 million st) of CO2
...
Carbon dioxide emissions from copper mining, ship-
ping, smelting and refining averaged 3.33 t CO2/t copper,
compared with 2.28 t CO2/t zinc and 19.53 t CO2/t nickel
for finished nickel production.

The figures for nickel explain some of the critism of the prius

Mining of steel and Aluminium are worse becase they are the big ones
http://www.lcmp.eng.cam.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/W1-Steel-and-aluminium-facts.pdf
Steelmaking accounts for 9.3% of global CO2 emissions , recycling uses 1/4 the energy that mining ore does. Aluminium accounts for 0.7% of global CO2 emissions , recycling uses 1/10th -1/20th the energy


So the two most common metals alone contribute 10% of global CO2.


It would be wrong of me to say that we could cut 10% of global CO2 emissions by recycling more instead of mining, but it's probably true that less reliance on the mining industy would probably offset all the CO2 from air travel.

Fossil fuel activities are also associated with carbon dioxide

http://www.brr.com.au/asx/OMX/ormil-energy-limited/

Principal Activities:
Undertaking and investing directly or indirectly in projects, companies and other entities engaged in or related to the oil, gas and energy sectors both onshore and offshore in Australia and outside Australia, including in Apex Energy NL

Mr Ian Plimer, Non Exec. Director

Capt'n Midnight

djpbarry wrote: »

How much CO2 was emitted?
Instructing other posters to read a book is not a meaningful response..

Instructing other posters to read a book by someone who has a vested interest in playing down climate change is not a meaningful response..


Also the author is now 65, so possibly more worried about a decent income in retirement than what happens over the next century, or maybe not.

Hal Emmerich

jakdelad wrote: »

using only two squares of toilet paper

Maybe if you eat All Bran for Breakfast, Dinner and Tea.

jakdelad

i said if you had read his book[thats like a question not an instruction] not go read his book

i think the GAA have a good description

when you cant play the ball , you play the man

when you dont agree with an opinion
please dont make personal attacks on the author
its really not nice

djpbarry

This thread is quite obviously going nowhere.

jakdelad, read the charter before posting anything else.