Irish national IQ

totaluser

I find it odd that Irish national IQ is hardly ever mentioned in the news, probably because it's one of the lowest in Europe. 8 point below average. Still the Irish have big heads.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IQ_and_Global_Inequality#National_IQ_and_QHC_values

steelcityblues

The UK - a similar enough country with similar modern problems - 8 IQ points better than us?

Something fishy about that IMO.

Galway K9

the big heads is to compensate

Cat Melodeon

IQ tests don't test for intelligence, they test for aptitude for IQ tests.

Raging_Ninja

The cynic might say this is the effect of brain drain I suppose, that we managed to breed intelligence out of the population.

totaluser

Raging_Ninja wrote: »

The cynic might say this is the effect of brain drain I suppose, that we managed to breed intelligence out of the population.

I read somewhere that the depressed IQ in Ireland is attributable to a long history of selective emigration.

I also remember reading about the Irish standard of living, how could it be good in Ireland even though the population is so dumb. But the Celtic Tiger turned out to be a scam, so that explained.

Batsy

steelcityblues wrote: »

The UK - a similar enough country with similar modern problems - 8 IQ points better than us?

Something fishy about that IMO.

Althought the British gave the world the railways, the telephone, the televsion, the computer, the World Wide Web, the lawnmower, the cardiac pacemaker, the jet engine, the tin can, motorway Cats' Eyes, tarmac, cordite, depth charges, the fax machine, the corkscrew, champagne, the electric motor, the Kelvin Scale, the internal combustion engine, the tank, radar, penicillin, the rubber band, the seed drill, the sewing machine, steel production, the thermos flask, Viagra, the steam-driven plough, the discovery of the planet Uranus and four of its moons, the discovery of gravity, the discovery of evolution, the discovery of pulsars, the discovery of spiral planets, the discovery of Halley's Comet, the postage stamp, the Christmas card, the clockwork radio, the pencil, the typewriter and DNA fingerprinting.

Marguerite Tonery

I.Q. tests are quite restrictive and do not measure the complete spectrum of intelligence. We are a country who has very successful creatives in fields that are not measurable on an IQ test e.g. sport (Brian O' Driscoll, Paul O' Connell, Tony Mc Coy, Ruby Walsh, Nicholas Roche, etc.), dance (Michael Flately and so many others of that have achieved unbelievable success), literature (Seamus Heaney, Maeve Binchy, etc.), the list is endless. None of these are measured using an IQ test, but they are only some of our most successful creatives.

steelcityblues

Batsy wrote: »

Althought the British gave the world the railways, the telephone, the televsion, the computer, the World Wide Web, the lawnmower, the cardiac pacemaker, the jet engine, the tin can, motorway Cats' Eyes, tarmac, cordite, depth charges, the fax machine, the corkscrew, champagne, the electric motor, the Kelvin Scale, the internal combustion engine, the tank, radar, penicillin, the rubber band, the seed drill, the sewing machine, steel production, the thermos flask, Viagra, the steam-driven plough, the discovery of the planet Uranus and four of its moons, the discovery of gravity, the discovery of evolution, the discovery of pulsars, the discovery of spiral planets, the discovery of Halley's Comet, the postage stamp, the Christmas card, the clockwork radio, the pencil, the typewriter and DNA fingerprinting.

Most of the inventions you listed are from roughly 100 years ago or more.

It is a great country in certain respects, but the UK is clearly not as influential in many areas today!

Batsy

steelcityblues wrote: »

Most of the inventions you listed are from roughly 100 years ago or more.

It is a great country in certain respects, but the UK is clearly not as influential in many areas today!

That doesn't matter. We've been there and done it and got the T-shirt. We Brits dominated the 19th Century, the Americans dominated the 20th and the Chinese will dominate the 21st.

coylemj

Marguerite Tonery wrote: »

I.Q. tests are quite restrictive and do not measure the complete spectrum of intelligence. We are a country who has very successful creatives in fields that are not measurable on an IQ test e.g. sport (Brian O' Driscoll, Paul O' Connell, Tony Mc Coy, Ruby Walsh, Nicholas Roche, etc.), dance (Michael Flately and so many others of that have achieved unbelievable success), literature (Seamus Heaney, Maeve Binchy, etc.), the list is endless. None of these are measured using an IQ test, but they are only some of our most successful creatives.

Don't forget Jedward

How do you make out that those sportsmen are 'creative'? What did Nicholas Roche ever create?

User Friendly

Batsy wrote: »

That doesn't matter. We've been there and done it and got the T-shirt. We Brits dominated the 19th Century, the Americans dominated the 20th and the Chinese will dominate the 21st.

we brits:o dont you mean us brits?

Batsy

User Friendly wrote: »

we brits:o dont you mean us brits?

No. "We Brits" is the gramatically correct term. I was right.

Oh dear. I think this proves what the topic of this thread is about.

By the way, I could also add greatly to my list of all the wonderful things Great Britain has given to the world:

Every PROPER sport (football, rugby, cricket, golf, tennis, badminton, boxing, darts, table-tennis, snooker, ping-pong, bowls, hockey, netball, rounders, throughbred horseracing), the pneumatic tyre, pedal bicycles, the world's first iron bridge, the United States Navy, the United States, Australia, Canada, New Zealand etc, the first recognition of dinosaurs, the greatest English-language textbook on the anatomy of the human body (Gray's Anatomy), insulin, animal cloning, the refrigerator, the world's first airforce, the piano footpedal, the kaleidoscope, the flush toilet, the hypodermic syringe, the machine gun, the Dreadnought, polyester, the lightswitch, the magnifying glass, the surgical forceps, the shrapnel shell, the Harrier Jump Jet, the fighter aircraft (the Vickers F.B.5 Gunbus), the bouncing bomb, the torpedo, the concertina, the movie projector, the weather map, the discovery (and the first splitting) of the atom, the discovery of the proton, electron, neutron and hydrogen, the underground railway, the seat belt, the traffic light, the gas mask, plasticine, the fizzy drink, the friction match, the police, the Scouts and silicone.

In fact, to put it simply, the clever British invented the modern world.

sh__93

Batsy wrote: »

No. "We Brits" is the gramatically correct term. I was right.

Every PROPER sport (football, rugby, cricket, golf, tennis, badminton, boxing, darts, table-tennis, snooker, ping-pong, bowls, hockey, netball, rounders, throughbred horseracing), the pneumatic tyre, pedal bicycles, the world's first iron bridge, the United States Navy, the United States, Australia, Canada, New Zealand etc, the first recognition of dinosaurs, the greatest English-language textbook on the anatomy of the human body (Gray's Anatomy), insulin, animal cloning, the refrigerator, the world's first airforce, the piano footpedal, the kaleidoscope, the flush toilet, the hypodermic syringe, the machine gun, the Dreadnought, polyester, the lightswitch, the magnifying glass, the surgical forceps, the shrapnel shell, the Harrier Jump Jet, the fighter aircraft (the Vickers F.B.5 Gunbus), the bouncing bomb, the torpedo, the concertina, the movie projector, the weather map, the discovery (and the first splitting) of the atom, the discovery of the proton, electron, neutron and hydrogen, the underground railway, the seat belt, the traffic light, the gas mask, plasticine, the fizzy drink, the friction match, the police, the Scouts and silicone.

In fact, to put it simply, the clever British invented the modern world.

Well us Irish invented Boards! :cool:

flogen

Can we get back on topic and leave the international pissing contest / troll-o-thon where it is?

Snickers Man

steelcityblues wrote: »

Most of the inventions you listed are from roughly 100 years ago or more.

!

And a good many of them aren't British. Like the internal combustion engine and the jet engine (both German) and the computer and telephone (both American).

And that's only the ones I know about.

R P McMurphy

The Lynn and Vanhanen study and findings are completely discredited. Would find better research in any copy of the sun.

To understand why the Republic of Ireland was placed so low look into the background of the 'researchers'

totaluser

R P McMurphy wrote: »

The Lynn and Vanhanen study and findings are completely discredited. Would find better research in any copy of the sun.

To understand why the Republic of Ireland was placed so low look into the background of the 'researchers'

National IQ or it's effects in standard of living? Sources?

belacqua_

totaluser wrote: »

I find it odd that Irish national IQ is hardly ever mentioned in the news, probably because it's one of the lowest in Europe. 8 point below average. Still the Irish have big heads.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IQ_and_Global_Inequality#National_IQ_and_QHC_values

The reason this story is hardly ever mentioned in the news is because the book which you refer to is a work of pseudo science, written by two discredited eugenicists who routinely face charges of racism. If you want sources, read the article you've posted and the links to the book's authors.

francois

R P McMurphy wrote: »

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To understand why the Republic of Ireland was placed so low look into the background of the 'researchers'

or they tested the trolls on the after hours forum

clintondaly

Here, from among the many hundreds of Irish inventions and innovations down the centuries, are a few key ones.
1. We put a man on the moon! (And satellites into space)
The Apollo missions could not have happened without a type of algebra invented in 1843 by William Rowan Hamilton. Engineers use Hamilton’s ‘quaternions’ to calculate an object’s position in space and time. And on the Apollo missions, one astronaut would be responsible for doing the quaternion calculations during a mission. These calculations are still used to orient spacecraft, and now also in 3D computer graphics.
2. We changed the face of modern warfare
. . . by inventing the first successful submarine. Designed by John Philip Holland in the late 1800s, his submarines changed the nature of naval battles forever.
3. We took away the pain
. . . when a Dublin doctor invented the hypodermic syringe at the Meath hospital in 1843. He used it to deliver a local anaesthetic to a woman who had severe pain in her face.
4. We revolutionised farming
Harry Ferguson’s tractor was light, safe and manoeuvrable. It replaced a horse and plough, and changed farming beyond recognition.
5. We electrified the world
Large-scale electricity power stations would not be possible, without the steam turbine invented by Charles Parsons in the 1880s, and still used in power stations around the world. If it wasn’t for him we would never have been able to deliver widespread electricity and electrical appliances to everyone.

clintondaly

Barry, Vincent (1908 - 1975) Cork man Vincent Barry led a medical research team that discovered a compound (B663) that ultimately led to a treatment for leprosy. The team were working on a cure for tuberculosis at the time.
Beaufort, Sir Francis (1774 - 1857) In 1805 Navan man, Sir Francis Beaufort, conceived the wind force scale that now bears his name. A distinguished naval commander, Sir Francis' 13-point 'Beaufort Scale' was adopted by the British navy in 1838.
Boyle, Robert (1627 - 1691) Robert Boyle, one of the original modern chemists, made many key contributions in the scientific revolution of the 1600's. His most famous discovery, which examined the pressure-volume relationship in laboratory conditions, now bears his name (Boyle's Law) and was to prove fundamental to our understanding of gases and atmospheric pressure.
Brennan, Louis (1852 - 1932) From, Castlebar, Co. Mayo, inventor of the world's first guided missile - a torpedo like device which was used as an early coastal defence mechanism. Brennan also designed a monorail and helicopter.
Bull, Lucien (1876 - 1972) Prolific Dublin innovator responsible for pioneering high speed photography in order to view images in slow motion. Bull was also patented an improved version of the electrocardiogram (ECG) in 1938.
Callan, Rev. Nicholas (1799 - 1864) Born in Dromiskin, Co. Louth, Rev. Callan invented both the induction coil (1836) and the self exacting dynamo (1838), both of which are still being used today.
Clerke, Agnes (1842 - 1907) Clerke, a Skibbereen woman, was a prolific astronomical writer who's esteemed reputation earned her the distinction of having a crater on the moon named after her in 1881 - Clerke Crater, at the edge of the sea of Serenity.
Coffey, Aeneas (1780 - 1852) Dublin man Aeneas Coffey invented the world's first heat-exchange device in 1830. Coffey's patent still was a very efficient apparatus that led to many advances in whiskey distilling.
Collis, Robert (1900 - 1975) Dublin doctor who pioneered the technique for feeding premature infants via a nasal tube as opposed to spoon feeding. He also invented a simple, but affordable incubator for premature infants.
Davidson, Sir Samuel (1846 - 1921) Belfast's Sir Samuel Davidson was accredited with many inventions such as tea-drying equipment, the forward bladed centrifugal fan and even a hand held Howitzer gun.
Dixon, Henry Horatio (1869 - 1953) Dublin native who was the first person to explain how sap was pulled from the roots of tall trees, as opposed to being pumped from the roots - which was commonly and incorrectly believed at the time.
Drumm, Dr. James (1896 - 1974) County Down man, Dr. James Drumm invented the nickel-zinc rechargeable battery in 1930. Having been successfully tested on a train in 1931, Drumm's traction batteries had many advantages over their predecessors - especially their ability to discharge and recharge rapidly.
Fitzgerald, George Francis (1851 - 1901) A physics professor at TCD, he was the first person to suggest the possibility of producing radio waves in laboratory conditions - his theory was successfully tested in 1888 by Heinrich.
Ferguson, Harry (1884 - 1960) Nicknamed the 'mad mechanic', Harry Ferguson designed and built a new plough which was coupled to the tractor in three-point linkage, so that both formed a single unit. This Ferguson System, patented in 1926, was to revolutionise farming. Ferguson also designed and built his own motor cycle, racing car and plane - becoming the first Irish man to fly in 1909.
Geoghegan, Samuel (1844 - 1928) born in Dublin, was a draughtsman and mechanical engineer and employed in the Guinness Brewery. He designed several small steam locomotive engines to work the narrow gauge track he designed and had built within the confines of the St. James's Gate premises. He also designed special unique convertor wagons which allowed the narrow guage locomotives to travel on the broad guage railway adjacent to the brewery premises.
Gregg, John Robert (1868 - 1948) Monaghan man who invented the shorthand system of speed writing in 1888. The Gregg system modelled the mechanics and positioning of traditional writing and was later adapted to several languages.
Hamilton, William Rowan (1805 - 1865) Irish mathematician (and child prodigy) who made many important contributions to the world of mathematics such as predicting conical infraction in biaxial crystals, extending the least action principle, and developing the theory of quaternions which was later found to have important applications in quantum physics and mechanics.
Holland, John Phillip (1841-1914) Liscannor man, John Phillips Holland, is accredited with launching the world's first successful submarine, the 'Fenian Ram', in 1881. He also invented a mechanism for submariners to evacuate their sinking vessel.
Jellet, Rev, John (1817-1888) From Cashel, Co. Tipperary, Rev. Jellet invented an instrument, which he called a saccharimeter, to measure the sugar content of liquids using polarised light.
Joly, John (1857 - 1933) A native of Hollywood, Co. Offaly, John Joly lays claim to many inventions including: the meldometer for measuring the melting points of minerals, the steam calorimeter for measuring specific heats, and the photometer for measuring light intensity. He also co-pioneered the use of radiation for cancer treatment, and was responsible for the first successful method of producing colour photographs from a single plate.
Kyan, John (1774 - 1850) Inventor of an early wood preservative used in various timbers. Patented in 1832, the technique still bears his name today - 'kyanisation'.
Leared, Arthur (1822 - 1879) Wexford doctor who invented the modern binaural (double earpiece) stethoscope in 1851. He also later discovered the importance of pancreatic juices in the digestion of fats.
Mallet, Robert (1810 - 1881) Explosion seismology was born in 1851, when Dublin man Robert Mallet used dynamite explosions to measure the speed of elastic waves in surface rocks - pioneering and coining the word 'seismology'.
Martin, Sir James (1893 - 1981) Sir James Martin, an engineer from Co. Down, invented the world's first ejector seat. His device was first tested using a crash dummy in 1945, and the following year Bernard Lynch became first person to participate in a live test. His invention was soon adopted by the RAF as a standard safety device.
Mitchell, Alexander (1780 - 1868) Dublin born blind engineer Alexander Mitchell was the inventor and patentee of the 'Mitchell Screwpile and Mooring' - a simple yet effective means of constructing durable lighthouses and ship moorings in deep water, mud banks and shifting sands.
Parsons, Sir Charles (1854 - 1931) From Birr, Co. Offaly, Charles Parsons invented the world's first steam turbine using vapourised water to power a rotor directly, as opposed to driving pistons. Parson's technological innovation not only spurred further developments in powering ships, but also in generating electricity.
Preston, Thomas (1860 - 1900) In 1897, Thomas Preston from Kilmore, discovered the Anomalous Zeeman Effect which is the name given to the Zeeman Effect (splitting of spectral lines in a a magnetic field) whenever it departs from the simple triplet form which classical theory predicted.
Rynd, Francis (1811 -1861) In 1844, Francis Rynd, a Dublin-based doctor, invented the hypodermic syringe and administered the world's first subcutaneous injection at the Meath hospital.
Stokes, George (1819 - 1903) Born in Skreen, Co. Sligo, it was in Cambridge between 1845 and 1850 that he determined the movement of a body through viscous fluids of various densities - Stokes' law. (Between 1909 and 1913 an American physicist Robert Millikan used Stokes' law as a basis for solving his experiment involving the charge on the electron). In 1852 George Stokes received the Rumford Medal for the first explanation of fluorescence. In the same year, he produced one of his most important contributions to mathematics while analysing elliptically polarised light - Stokes parameters. To this day Stokes parameters is used to describe light emitted in an experiment within atomic and optical physics.
Thomson, William, Lord Kelvin (1824-1907) born in Belfast. Thompson was knighted for his work on the laying of the Atlantic Telegraph Cable which stretched from Newfoundland to Valentia in Cork in 1865. His interest in the measurement of temperature and thermodynamics led to his creation of the absolute scale of temperature (the Kelvin scale) which is named after him.
Tyndall, John (1820 - 1893) The founding father of nephelometry and a native of Leighlin Bridge, Carlow, John Tyndall was one of the first scientists to recognise the greenhouse effect, and his invention of the light pipe also laid the foundation for developments in fiber optics.
Walker, John (1841 - 1901) A native of Castlecomer, Co. Kilkenny, John Walker invented a prototype of the caterpillar track to assist him in transporting logs over rough terrain to his saw mills.
Walton, Earnest (1903 - 1995) In 1932, Earnest Walton (from Dungarvan, Co. Waterford) in collaboration with John Cockcroft, became the first people in history to artificially split the atom, thus ushering the nuclear age. Walton and Cockcroft had vindicated Einstein's famous equation (E=mc2) and successfully converted matter into energy. In 1951 they were jointly awarded the Nobel Prize for Physics - making Walton Ireland's first and only Nobel science laureate.

flogen

And on that note, lock.