SAORSAT and KA BAND LNBF-DISH

swoofer

I am retiring soon and to while away a bit of free time I mess with sat dishes. I'd like to get that SAORSAT ON 9EAST but notice I need a different lnb and can use a smaller dish.

Does the LNBF have to come with the dish as the fitting looks odd or the ones I saw did?

Where could I source these?

gb--

watty

Be patient grasshopper

There will be regular LNBFs for ordinary dishes. There is no live sevice yet.

The LNBs used so far are cobbled together without proper weatherproofing, feed horn, Circular to linear polarisation converter etc... Just living proof there is a signal.

boskela

DO I NEED NEW TV ? i have freesat system. will it pick up rte etc ?

chris76

boskela wrote: »

DO I NEED NEW TV ? i have freesat system. will it pick up rte etc ?

No. you will need another dish and lnb or move your current dish from 28.2e to 9e but you will need a new lnb for the dish.but if you do choose another dish you can automatilly switch between both services via a diseqc switch.and recieve both services

boskela

Will I need saorview tv?

chris76

No mate your tv will be fine.

strongman

If you have a dish with 3 LNB's fitted at 13, 19 and 28 degrees at present with diseqc switch could you add an LNBF at 9 degrees to receive SAOR on the same dish.

swoofer

yes but it has to be a ka band lnbf and not available yet.

gb-

strongman

Thanks GB
When are the ka band lnbf's expected to be available.

snaps

I assume there will be dual KA/KU band LNB's for receiving both KA/KU band services on 9 east, other wise seems a bit pointless if like me you watch KU band transponders on 9east, thus needing 2 dishes for 9 east?

Apogee

snaps wrote: »

I assume there will be dual KA/KU band LNB's for receiving both KA/KU band services on 9 east, other wise seems a bit pointless if like me you watch KU band transponders on 9east, thus needing 2 dishes for 9 east?

Fitting Ku and Ka into the one housing isn't trivial. May see it in time, but not in the immediate future.

One work-around is the existing Tooway service on Hotbird which uses a special subreflector that reflects Ka but is transparent to Ku.

strongman

Would any of the LNBF's listed on the site "http://www.norsat.com/ka-band-lnb/blog" be suitable.

The Cush

strongman wrote: »

Would any of the LNBF's listed on the site "http://www.norsat.com/ka-band-lnb/blog" be suitable.

None of them cover the Ka-Sat downlink frequency range 19.7-20.2 GHz.

Apogee

strongman wrote: »

Would any of the LNBF's listed on the site "http://www.norsat.com/ka-band-lnb/blog" be suitable.

Most Norsat stuff is commercial grade and extremely expensive (€400+). The 'X' type models also require an external clock reference. The DRO (Dielectric Resonator Oscillators) is equivalent to consumer grade, but wrong frequency range.

Currently, the cheapest you'll find is Hughesnet/Hylas branded gear like this:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Hughesnet-HN9000-Satellite-Dish-and-Pole-GREAT-COND-/270765574771?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f0ae2ca73

Dump the dish and the BUC, and you have a Ka-LNB + depolariser + feedhorn.

polyfusion

Interesting, so there's nothing available that remotely corresponds to the current LNBs in terms of size and cost. Will we see something as small as your fist and under €20 before the end of the year? Can the technology be made that small? Is there some company in China already working on a prototype?

watty

A Ka domestic LNBF will be similar size to existing Ku models or smaller. Maybe a bit longer though (polarisation converter).

They will be affordable, closer to €25 than €5 (current cheap Ku) though.

AFAIK they are in production.

stanley1

Watty, any idea what size dish will be, I am in D12.

Apogee

stanley1 wrote: »

Watty, any idea what size dish will be, I am in D12.

Based on what we know from the tests, an 80cm low quality dish will work. Considering that there was no feedhorn, and no depolariser (adding a depolariser gives you an extra 2/3dB - double signal strength), then a 50/60cm should be fine assuming RTÉ keep the same amount of error correction (FEC = 1/2) when they go live. Maybe even smaller in Dublin, though you would need to be careful to allow sufficient rain reserve.

stanley1

ok, thanks for that.

watty

I'm informed by a reliable source that a ka compatible 55cm is needed. To me that seems large, but could be to ensure good rain margin in SW Cork/Kerry and NW Donegal.

For a Dual feed Freesat + Ka-Sat/Saorview, likely 80cm in most of Ireland and 90/95cm in some edge areas if using Sky rather than Freesat.

swoofer

Is it not going to be difficult to receive saorsat in east of country ie Dublin etc?/

gb--

watty

All of Ireland will have perfect reception. Dublin to Galway very strong.

Note there is NOT a sharp edge on the purple oval. It's gradual reduction of signal.

The ONLY doubtful area is N.I. North East Coast Larne to Bushmills/Ballycastle.
The far south west of Ireland is slightly lower signal, but has no interference from Scotland or French spots of same setting.

The Cush

GBCULLEN wrote: »

Is it not going to be difficult to receive saorsat in east of country ie Dublin etc?

This from satbeams - Ka-Sat Ireland spot beam

watty

That spot seems a bit south compared to official Eutelsat spots in previous post.
nice resource though.

RoZZaH

Adding a second dish/feed knocks most freesat boxes out of freesat mode - losing the 8 day EPG (and features such as series link)

I was getting excited about this but if you already have decent terrestrial reception, you might be better off sticking with a combo box (terrestrial + sat) or Freesat TV (will do terrestrial + sat) so you can just watch British/Irish tv without having to flick between devices and if you want to record getting a freesat box you treat as a video recorder (and use RTE player to catch up)

Nothing's simple

watty

No combo boxes do Freesat.

Freesat About 45 useful channels, maybe soon five in HD.
Saorsat About 5 useful channels.

A few button clicks changes mode. Having Freesat HD beats any combo box. There is even the channel Editor plug in for Humax.

At the minute the best solutions are either two boxes or a PC with DVBviewer and MHEG5 plugin. All the combo boxes are less functional.

Headshot

Im wondering what should I install a dish or the aerial to get saorsat?

polyfusion

Are there any FTA Linux boxes that can utilise the Freesat EPG, and possibly be able to integrate the Saorsat EPG?

Apogee

polyfusion wrote: »

Are there any FTA Linux boxes that can utilise the Freesat EPG, and possibly be able to integrate the Saorsat EPG?

Yes

polyfusion

Apogee wrote: »

Yes

Thanks, so it would be possible to integrate the Saorsat EPG like what's been done with Saorview demonstrated in your linked post.

My next question would be if/when the VU+ will be able to do 4:2:2? When I search google, I see lots of posts on other forums saying the hardware is capable, but it hasn't been implemented in the software yet. I know about streaming to a PC, but that's no good to me.

watty

polyfusion wrote: »

Are there any FTA Linux boxes that can utilise the Freesat EPG, and possibly be able to integrate the Saorsat EPG?

But the VU+ has not got MHEG5, it's not actually Freesat or Saorview compatible. Yes it can EPG of both. That's only part of story.

It's not exactly cheap either. Fully configured and given Linux fiddling needed I'm not convinced it's a good as Windows PC with MHEG5 on DVBviewer (which does both EPGs).

Though VU+ has a good fan base. It's replace Dreambox I think as Sat box of choice for "hobbyists".

The fact is there is no proper solutions yet.

Apogee

Have you used a Vu+?

watty

It's got no MHEG5.
I can be the best Linux box in the world. But it's not either Freesat Compatible nor MHEG5 enabled.

Until it has MHEG5 I'm not interested.

Apogee

That's a 'no' then. But you still keep continually banging on about Linux boxes being 'hobbyist' solutions while at the same time advocating PC-based approaches ... pot, kettle, black.

Polyfusion didn't ask about MHEG5, he asked about integrating the EPGs. So you stating that you aren't interested in non-MHEG5 receivers isn't particularly relevant AFAICS.

Wiggy

watty wrote: »

It's got no MHEG5.
I can be the best Linux box in the world. But it's not either Freesat Compatible nor MHEG5 enabled.

Until it has MHEG5 I'm not interested.

I find this discussion very interesting. I have a Vu+ Duo with a DTT stick and it works very well (for my purposes) as a combined satellite and terrestrial FTA PVR, providing an excellent EPG (from the transponder) with powerful series link functionality.

The DTT aspect of the EPG has become problematic in the last week, but there are a number of effective workarounds for this.

Watty, what aspects of the Freesat service are incompatible with the Vu+ Duo? And what are the effects of not being MHEG5 enabled?

Sattje

MHEG5 works quite nice. See some features here (on YouTube). But remember: You'll only see what the channel (operator) puts in it...

dmcdream

Hi,

Would anyone be able to recommend a good quality DiSEqC motor and LNB, suitable for a Triax 110cm dish?

If possible, could you also tell me where I might get these online?

Many Thanks!

swoofer

Tell me the make of your receiver and I will tell you the name of a very good motor etc and you should use USALS now.

i found it, its this one

Supreme Intelligent DarkMotor DiSEqC Motor LED Full Metal Gears

[DARK MOTOR LED]

and get it here for best price and free delivery

sat-shop co uk

and the lnb to get is the black ultra, i usually get the quad but its not the premium, its this one,

INVERTO BLACK ULTRA QUAD LNB IDLB-QUDL40-ULTRA-OPP

and try ebay. with that setup you will get everything.

happy xmas

gbc

dfdream

Wiggy,

What image and version are you using and what DTT Tuner.
Im keen to get this sorted once and for all.
Everyone has issues but no one is doing anything about it.
Its a killer for this box using DTT.

D

Wiggy wrote: »

I find this discussion very interesting. I have a Vu+ Duo with a DTT stick and it works very well (for my purposes) as a combined satellite and terrestrial FTA PVR, providing an excellent EPG (from the transponder) with powerful series link functionality.

The DTT aspect of the EPG has become problematic in the last week, but there are a number of effective workarounds for this.

Watty, what aspects of the Freesat service are incompatible with the Vu+ Duo? And what are the effects of not being MHEG5 enabled?

John Dough

polyfusion wrote: »

Are there any FTA Linux boxes that can utilise the Freesat EPG, and possibly be able to integrate the Saorsat EPG?

Why use a linux box as both EPGs work fine with the Technomate Combis and Slys epg channel fix.