45 degree solder ring elbows

esquilax

I'm looking for a 3/4" 45 degree solder ring / end feed elbow and annoyingly it seems nobody round here (Tullamore) stocks them.

Pulsar direct have them but with a tenner delivery charge and I'm sure somewhere in our fair capital city does too but that'd be more than a tenner's worth of inconvenience.

If anyone has some on hand and would be willing to stick a couple in the post to me, I'll sort you out for your good deed.

Strangely, I got the same "what would you want one them for" reaction concerning gunbarrel swept tees, something I would have considered a common and essential item.

yoshytoshy

I've yet to see someone use one ,pipe benders are cheaper to use.

Joey the lips

A company called excel industries does them in coolmine dublin but again you will have to buy them from a local agent.

I am all for the pipe bender idea myself.

esquilax

So what you're basically saying is "what would you want one of them for?"

I got the loan of a pipe bender but it's a massive hydraulic thing and it puts big crinkles in the pipe. It's for a vent pipe and I want it to be the full bore of the pipe. I'm already not happy about it having to start out at 45 degrees instead of rising vertically.

I'll see if I can buy a 3/4" bending spring, I don't suppose they're that expensive and it'd be a better investment than a ten euro delivery charge. I have seen perfectly good results from a pipe bender but I'm just not getting them from the one I've got.

Joey the lips

i never said that at all its just end feed is not for soldering its for brazing so you generally cannot get end feed in most places. It will be your standard 45 solder ring.

Brazing is seen as industrial as apposed to domestic.

esquilax

Maybe in Ireland they're considered to be "for brazing" because people only use them for large pipe gauges but in the UK I have seen them used in the exact same way people use triflow fittings here. For soldering in domestic installations, at a saving of a few pence a go over the solder ring variety. I would say there is actually a wider selection of end feed fittings available.

What I asked for in the shop was a solder ring fitting. I just said "or end feed" on here in case someone happened to have one of those instead.

Anyway, pipe spring it is but thanks for the advice.

yoshytoshy

Ive never seen 45 fittings anywhere ,in suppliers or on jobs.
Never.

yoshytoshy

yoshytoshy wrote: »

Ive never seen 45 fittings anywhere ,in suppliers or on jobs.
Never.

I used to carry them as a given, they were handy to have on the van.

yoshytoshy

Im sure theyre handy ,but theyre not used here in ireland.
I tried to get some before and 22mm were the only ones available.

Joey the lips

esquilax wrote: »

Maybe in Ireland they're considered to be "for brazing" because people only use them for large pipe gauges but in the UK I have seen them used in the exact same way people use triflow fittings here. For soldering in domestic installations, at a saving of a few pence a go over the solder ring variety. I would say there is actually a wider selection of end feed fittings available.

What I asked for in the shop was a solder ring fitting. I just said "or end feed" on here in case someone happened to have one of those instead.

Anyway, pipe spring it is but thanks for the advice.

No they are considering for brazing because end feed dont contain solder and you use a brazing rod. Its not an irish thing its correct procedure But this is getting padantic

yoshytoshy wrote: »

Im sure theyre handy ,but theyre not used here in ireland.
I tried to get some before and 22mm were the only ones available.

Jimmy bouchers company use to stock loads of solder 45's the reason i know is i was the buyer.

In general though 45 deg are not needed hower a little unknown fact is that you can actually plumb a sani flow system with 1.1/2" 45 solder and it works brilliant and is a very near job.

yoshytoshy

Are you sure they were 3/4" joey?

I know industrial stuff is easier to get like that ,wouldnt fancy using a hand benders on anything more than 3/4

esquilax

Joey the lips wrote: »

No they are considering for brazing because end feed dont contain solder and you use a brazing rod. Its not an irish thing its correct procedure But this is getting padantic

I don't consider it pedantic to correct a fairly important misunderstanding on your part of what I'm saying.

You can solder, not braize, end feed fittings.

The fact that someone like yourself who clearly knows a thing or two about plumbing has never seen this done confirms to me that, for whatever reason, it's not the done thing in Ireland.

You'll find plenty of evidence of it on the internet if you're still convinced they're for braizing only.

Joey the lips

Joey the lips wrote: »

No they are considering for brazing because end feed dont contain solder and you use a brazing rod. Its not an irish thing its correct procedure But this is getting pedantic.

It was called soldering long before the fancy fittings with the solder came along, the only difference is you don't carry as much solder anymore.

yoshytoshy

gary71 wrote: »

It was called soldering long before the fancy fittings with the solder came along, the only difference is you don't carry as much solder anymore.

Gary ,do many people use coupro over in england ? I've probably spelt it wrong ?

yoshytoshy

yoshytoshy wrote: »

Gary ,do many people use coupro over in england ? I've probably spelt it wrong ?

I don't know anyone who does, the gasmen I know would be the end feed generation, so if you can't hear the sizzle of a wet finger it's no good, where's the fun of pushing pipe together, give me a panicked look when the curtains go up any day:D

slavetothegrind

i've no 45's either?
don't think i've ever had 'em!

@gary, not your mother's curtains gary:eek:
for god's sake man she'll have a complex!!:D

Joey the lips

esquilax wrote: »

I don't consider it pedantic to correct a fairly important misunderstanding on your part of what I'm saying.

You can solder, not braize, end feed fittings.

The fact that someone like yourself who clearly knows a thing or two about plumbing has never seen this done confirms to me that, for whatever reason, it's not the done thing in Ireland.

You'll find plenty of evidence of it on the internet if you're still convinced they're for braizing only.

I ment i was getting padantic and your point is interesting.

gary71 wrote: »

It was called soldering long before the fancy fittings with the solder came along, the only difference is you don't carry as much solder anymore.

Yes i once had a retiring storeman comment that the greatest invention for his back was solderr ring fittings because he now only carries one box of solder a day instead of 10

yoshytoshy

Joey the lips wrote: »

Jimmy bouchers company use to stock loads of solder 45's the reason i know is i was the buyer.

Where they 3/4" joey ?

Joey the lips

yoshytoshy wrote: »

Where they 3/4" joey ?

1/2" 3/4" 1" from memory.

yoshytoshy

Joey the lips wrote: »

1/2" 3/4" 1" from memory.

I'll be calling them liars when I see them again.:D

Sparkpea

I can get you them no problems at all. I'm not sure if they will be yorkshire or the cheaper soldered ring make, but I can definitely get them.

Joey the lips

Sparkpea wrote: »

I can get you them no problems at all. I'm not sure if they will be yorkshire or the cheaper soldered ring make, but I can definitely get them.

DPL are the yorkshire agents down this end of the country.

yoshytoshy

Sparkpea wrote: »

I can get you them no problems at all. I'm not sure if they will be yorkshire or the cheaper soldered ring make, but I can definitely get them.

You can get about twice the amount of fittings up north ,sometimes I think it'd be better if we used metric copper

Sparkpea

yoshytoshy wrote: »

You can get about twice the amount of fittings up north ,sometimes I think it'd be better if we used metric copper

ahh true, hes looking proper 3/4" then, can get them in 22mm and use a 22mm x 3/4" adapter if needed.

We cleared out "stock" from one of our vans last week and between proper Yorkshire fittings and Kuterlite compression was able to get a credit of £300!

yoshytoshy

Sparkpea wrote: »

ahh true, hes looking proper 3/4" then, can get them in 22mm and use a 22mm x 3/4" adapter if needed.

We cleared out "stock" from one of our vans last week and between proper Yorkshire fittings and Kuterlite compression was able to get a credit of £300!

Nice one ,nothing better than get paid to clean out the van:)

Stove Fan

When I lived in the UK I always bought end feed fittings and not solder ring (yorkshires) For my plumbing and gas fitting. We soldered them:)

When I moved to Ireland my local plumbers merchant had trouble getting 1/2 inch solder ring elbows. He said he didn't have much call for them with mostly plastic piping being used. Took 10 days and needed 50! I needed them for my solid fuel central heating system and explained it was all in copper. I could not get 1 inch 45's either for the gravity primaries to the cylinder.

I used qualpex and compression fittings on the hot and cold water supplies and also a couple of tectite fittings in the loft and anything on show in copper and solder ring fittings. Very impressed at how quick and easy plastic piping was to fit:D Why doesn't everyone go metric and stick to standard pipe sizes, it would be much easier and then we could buy in from the cheapest country. UK 15mm 22mm and 28mm. France has a vast array of sizes used 8mm 10mm 12mm 12-14mm 14-16mm 16-18mm 18-20mm 20-22mm 28mm These are internal and external sizes. They use end feed and braze them.

Stove Fan:)

JohnnieK

Ah sure when your stuck you would use anything to get 45 degrees even your knee or a door frame or a 90o elbow cut in half with the end frayed out :D

esquilax

Sparkpea wrote: »

I can get you them no problems at all. I'm not sure if they will be yorkshire or the cheaper soldered ring make, but I can definitely get them.

Sound. But in the end I happened across a 3/4" pipe spring for a tenner and am very pleasantly surprised with the results. Thanks all.