Fine for not paying tax/insurance?

pog it

Hey folks,

During the week last week near where I live the guards were stopping people for not paying tax and insurance. They had two guards, one doing the checking, one taking the details. So obviously everyone needs to be super vigilant when looking ahead of them! Particularly at traffic light junctions coupled with a suitable space to pull cars in.

Okay so I was just wondering what they fine you for not having tax and/or insurance? Is it a fine or just penalty points? If you refuse to pay, what's the next part of the process?

Eric Cartman

not having tax - 60 euro fine
not having insurance - should be shot

Mena

pog it wrote: »

If you refuse to pay, what's the next part of the process?

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si_guru

Car should be impounded instantly.. There is no excuse for either.. and is usually coupled to other anti social issues.

jaffa20

si_guru wrote: »

Car should be impounded instantly.. There is no excuse for either.. and is usually coupled to other anti social issues.

Ah now, car impounded for a few days out of tax?

Eric Cartman

si_guru wrote: »

Car should be impounded instantly.. There is no excuse for either.. and is usually coupled to other anti social issues.

not really, there is 0 excuse for driving without insurance , but 2-3 months leeway on car tax isnt a bad thing, its not a safety issue and the goverment always gets it back when you eventually go to tax it. the car shouldnt be impounded unless its out 9-12 months and you dont have an excuse

pog it

Wowsa.

Also, by the way, I really don't want comments about the rights and wrongs of it. I started the thread to find out what the penalties are.

What are the rules as to impounding the car? How long does it have to be untaxed/out of unsurance before it it impounded? Is there a specific length of time or is it up to the guard?

-Corkie-

pog it wrote: »

Wowsa.

Also, by the way, I really don't want comments about the rights and wrongs of it. I started the thread to find out what the penalties are.

What are the rules as to impounding the car? How long does it have to be untaxed/out of unsurance before it it impounded? Is there a specific length of time or is it up to the guard?

If its 2 months or over without tax they can impound it. If you have no insurance/nct they can take it there and then. No insurance means a mandatory driving ban.

Testament1

Mena wrote: »

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzVJFv9GyJg

furtzy

Tax out by 2 months or more it can be impounded. Usually a tow charge and a further charge for every day its in storage. If not collected it gets crushed. No insurance is mandatory court appearance with 5 points and up to E2500 fine and/or imprisionment together with a driving ban. Plus trying to get insurance again would prove very costly

furtzy

furtzy wrote: »

No insurance is mandatory court appearance with 5 points and up to E2500 fine and/or imprisionment together with a driving ban. Plus trying to get insurance again would prove very costly

Yep.

One of the few things in Ireland that are treated appropriately by the judicial/legal system

Mint Sauce

jaffa20 wrote: »

Ah now, car impounded for a few days out of tax?

What about not having insurance?

corktina

i pay my whack on tiem, why shouldnt everyone else?

veetwin

RoverJames wrote: »

Yep.

One of the few things in Ireland that are treated appropriately by the judicial/legal system

Ah if only that were so...yes the maximum penaltys are severe but unless you have a string of convictions longer than your neck you will get away with a few hundred euro fine and a slap on the wrist. Any decent solicitor should see to it that you won't get a driving ban.

As for getting insurance again..no problem, just don't tell 'em!

CiniO

corktina wrote: »

i pay my whack on tiem, why shouldnt everyone else?

Because everyone has a free will, and everyone can decide what they want to do or not.

Consequences for not paying tax are not really severe.
In some places in Ireland it might be very likely to get pulled over and checked. In other it might be almost impossible to meet a guards on the way.
There just might be some people which after doing calculations can come to conclusion it's just not worth for them to pay motortax.

slimjimmc

pog it wrote: »

Hey folks,

During the week last week near where I live the guards were stopping people for not paying tax and insurance. They had two guards, one doing the checking, one taking the details. So obviously everyone needs to be super vigilant when looking ahead of them! Particularly at traffic light junctions coupled with a suitable space to pull cars in.

Okay so I was just wondering what they fine you for not having tax and/or insurance? Is it a fine or just penalty points? If you refuse to pay, what's the next part of the process?

Refusal to pay a fixed penalty notice = a day in court
Refusal to pay a court issued fine = a few weeks in the slammer and a rather unattractive criminal record should something you want to do require you to be to be of good character.

Eric Cartman wrote: »

not really, there is 0 excuse for driving without insurance , but 2-3 months leeway on car tax isnt a bad thing, its not a safety issue and the goverment always gets it back when you eventually go to tax it. the car shouldnt be impounded unless its out 9-12 months and you dont have an excuse

Not when the owner inevitably declares it as being off the road during that time - 2-3 months tax free driving can be a mighty incentive to some.

Guy:Incognito

slimjimmc wrote: »

Refusal to pay a fixed penalty notice = a day in court
Refusal to pay a court issued fine = a few weeks in the slammer and a rather unattractive criminal record should something you want to do require you to be to be of good character.

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You forgot the step where bleeding hearts jump on the bandwagon and the papers are only too happy to print a story to whip up the rabble while editing it to seem better, like this:

Tabloid story wrote:

Woman with children far from home, stopped by gestapo like Gardai in her 09 car she couldnt afford to pay VRT/Motor tax/Insurance etc on and flung to the side of the road in the rain while on her one and only journey to the shops to buy food for the starving children [Section irrelevant as reduces impact of tabloidism] Refusal to pay a fixed penalty notice = a day in court
Refusal to pay a court issued fine = [Section irrelevant as reduces impact of tabloidism] sentenced by uncareign judge to a few weeks in the slammer and a rather unattractive criminal record should something you want to do require you to be to be of good character.

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slimjimmc wrote: »

Not when the owner inevitably declares it as being off the road during that time - 2-3 months tax free driving can be a mighty incentive to some.

Exactly, leeway just leads to people looking for leeway on the leeway and seeing how far they can push it and get away without paying.

Our man in Havana

Refusal to pay a court issued fine = a few weeks in the slammer

You would be lucky to do a few hours inside as there is no room for small time fine avoiders. If faced with a fine of a grand I would take my chances on spending a couple of hours inside where you get dinner and a then a free taxi home that evening.

jaffa20

irish-stew wrote: »

What about not having insurance?

Permanent driving ban.

Voodoomelon

slimjimmc wrote: »

Not when the owner inevitably declares it as being off the road during that time - 2-3 months tax free driving can be a mighty incentive to some.

Not as far as i'm aware. If you are stopped for having no tax and the tax is out of date for several months, you have to back pay the tax to the most recently expired month.

slimjimmc

Voodoomelon wrote: »

Not as far as i'm aware. If you are stopped for having no tax and the tax is out of date for several months, you have to back pay the tax to the most recently expired month.

As you say yourself, IF you get stopped, which a lot don't. I'm sure there are loads of people who routinely stretch things because experience has shown them that they're unlikely to get caught most of the time, and if they do the previous cumulative savings outweigh the penalty.

Voodoomelon

Of course, but we were talking about if you are stopped.

mdebets

Eric Cartman wrote: »

the car shouldnt be impounded unless its out 9-12 months and you dont have an excuse

what possible excuse could you have for not paying tax for 9-12 months?

Crasp

mdebets wrote: »

what possible excuse could you have for not paying tax for 9-12 months?

Tax avoision :pac: