P60 P45 and a 12A???

I'm in the market for summer work, and I've handed out some CVs but no responses yet (and yeah I've followed most of them up). Anyway, I'm not feeling defeated yet and I'm going to keep trying, only now that it's summer, I'm looking for work asap rather than in the future, so I'll need my relevant forms ready.

I was only asked for my PPS number when I had a job last summer, and I was given pay slips so I'm 99% sure I was on the books and above board. Yet I've been told by my sister that I'll need a P60 and P45 which I haven't gotten (and I'll need these anyway to apply for my student grant next August, and use them to get a P21, which I know how to do). I've tried to find out myself, but having looked at citzensinformation.ie, I'm now more confused as it says I should have filled out a form 12A as soon as I started work a year ago and gotten a Tax Credits Certificate, which AFAIK I never did.

So the more I try to sort this out myself, the more confused I get.

If anyone could shed even a bit of light on how I go about sorting this out, I'd really appreciate it.

tenchi-fan

You're getting ahead of yourself. You don't need a P45 (as it's a new tax year) and you definitely don't need a P60. You were probably doing casual work anyway so it's unlikely you ever received these forms.

After you start your new job you can complete a form 12A which tells the revenue office to send a statement of tax credits to your new employer.

tenchi-fan

tenchi-fan wrote: »

You don't need a P45 (as it's a new tax year) and you definitely don't need a P60. You were probably doing casual work anyway so it's unlikely you ever received these forms.

After you start your new job you can complete a form 12A which tells the revenue office to send a statement of tax credits to your new employer.

Thanks!

I do need a P45 though, for my student grant. I think I can do without the Tax Credit Certificate. I'm going to go down to where my last job was tomorrow and ask about it. Then if I'm still confused I'll go to the citizen's info centre on O'Connell st. Hopefully they'll set me straight. If anyone else has any more info I'd be much obliged

tenchi-fan

true-or-false wrote: »

Thanks!

I do need a P45 though, for my student grant. I think I can do without the Tax Credit Certificate. I'm going to go down to where my last job was tomorrow and ask about it. Then if I'm still confused I'll go to the citizen's info centre on O'Connell st. Hopefully they'll set me straight. If anyone else has any more info I'd be much obliged

Oh, about the 12A.. you don't really need one. If you phone the tax office and tell them your employer they will usually just mail the statement of tax credits out.

As for your P45, you're making work for yourself. Chances are they either paid you cash in hand, or they put you down as a casual worker, paid tax, but you would not have received a p45. If this is the case, I'd say a letter from your previous employer explaining that you were a casual worker, the dates you worked, and your approx weekly wage (or total earnings) will suffice in lieu of a P45. The person processing the grant might even be willing to accept a letter you did up yourself explaining you did casual work for xyz ltd & outlining a schedule of payments you received from your employer.

I have no idea why you think the citizens information office will be able to advise you of your requirements for a grant.. surely they'll just tell you to discuss the requirements with the person processing your grant?

tenchi-fan

tenchi-fan wrote: »

I have no idea why you think the citizens information office will be able to advise you of your requirements for a grant.. surely they'll just tell you to discuss the requirements with the person processing your grant?

I know my requirements for the grant, it's a P45 or a P60, plus a P21. As I said I'm asking tomorrow, in my old place of work, whether or not I should be expecting these things, and if I'm still confused I'll go to the CIC, not about my grant, about the P45,P60+12A. As I've also said, the reason I think I'm supposed to have these things is because I was asked for my PPS at the beginning and received a pay slip with a breakdown of tax each week. I really really do appreciate you taking the time to help me out, but you're answering questions I've already said I've sorted.

angelfire9

Ok a few little things

P45 - If you were on the books and paying PAYE & PRSI in your summer job last year they are LEGALLY OBLIDGED to provide you with a P45
Anyone who says otherwise is raving
They should still have a copy of it on file (accounts are supposed to be retained for 6 years) but if not you MAY be able to get a copy from Revenue

P60 - You only get a P60 if you were in employment on the 31st of December of the year in question, i.e. to get a P60 this year you must have been in employment on 31/12/2010
The P60 will normally be issued by employers between the 14th and 28th of February each year showing pay & deductions for the period from 01/01-31/12 of the previous year

12A Form
This is used by the tax office to calculate your Tax Credits and Standard Rate Cut Off Point for each tax year
Not absolutely neccessary, you can as someone stated above, ring the Revenue and give them your PPS number and your Employer's Employer Reg Number and they will send out a cert
The 12A form does speed up the process in my experience

Lastly, if you didn't get the tax credit cert in 2010 when you were last working that would mean either 1 of 3 things
1) It got lost in the post (unlikely IMHO)
2) Your were on emergency tax for your employment (in which case you would be due a tax refund the P21 balancing statement from Revenue will sort this out)
3) You were not "Officially" working i.e. you were paid off the books, totally illegal and would complicate things no end if that is the case

Contact your previous employer and ask them to post you out a copy of your P45 from 2010
If you get a job this summer you won't need it as the purpose of a P45 to a new employer is to get your tax credits and SCROP and earnings to allocate to your new job, this won't apply to your job in 2011 so don't worry about it from that respect!

Excellent, thanks!!