Violence in GAA matches

amywise9

I watched in horror at the Clare player hitting his opponent last week and then the Kerry lad did something similar.
Do these guys not realise they are setting a bad example to young boys and girls who look up to them?
For as long as I have been supporting GAA there has always been a thuggish element to the games in both football and hurling. Unless, the GAA makes definitive efforts to sort out these players with long suspensions it will continue.
Hurling can be a thrilling game to watch so too can football without the dragging and pulling.
Referees need to be a lot tougher and work in unison with their linesmen and umpires.
Dublin's National Hurling League win was refreshing and a joy to watch. It was the much-needed 'injection' that Hurling has needed. Let's not spoil that achievement by permitting thugs to play the game.

Shane10

i disagree, the refs are spoiling the games, blowing up for free's for the slighest little tug or contact. you cant even see a good shoulder now. its a mans game and thats the way it should be left. the kids arent that sensitive. i think the majority of people want to see a bit of action anyway.

eigrod

amywise9 wrote: »

I watched in horror at the Clare player hitting his opponent last week and then the Kerry lad did something similar.
Do these guys not realise they are setting a bad example to young boys and girls who look up to them?
For as long as I have been supporting GAA there has always been a thuggish element to the games in both football and hurling. Unless, the GAA makes definitive efforts to sort out these players with long suspensions it will continue.
Hurling can be a thrilling game to watch so too can football without the dragging and pulling.
Referees need to be a lot tougher and work in unison with their linesmen and umpires.
Dublin's National Hurling League win was refreshing and a joy to watch. It was the much-needed 'injection' that Hurling has needed. Let's not spoil that achievement by permitting thugs to play the game.

Most team sports experience this. Players lose the head....it happens. Once the punishment is fair and consistent, then let's move on.

Head butts, fisticuffs, eye gouging, mouth gouging all happen in rugby on a fairly regular basis.

Two footed challenges, thigh high challenges, referee intimidation, elbows to the face all happen in soccer on a regular basis.

Gaelic games are no different, simply because they're all played by men of different and varying backgrounds all wanting to win.

premierstone

As eigrod says there is no contact sport that doesnt have the same instances and in alot of cases far worse.

The_Kew_Tour

eigrod wrote: »

Most team sports experience this. Players lose the head....it happens. Once the punishment is fair and consistent, then let's move on.

Head butts, fisticuffs, eye gouging, mouth gouging all happen in rugby on a fairly regular basis.

Two footed challenges, thigh high challenges, referee intimidation, elbows to the face all happen in soccer on a regular basis.

Gaelic games are no different, simply because they're all played by men of different and varying backgrounds all wanting to win.

Ya seen more punches and eye gouging in last few months in rugby then anything in GAA and it always seems be brushed under the carpet.

Chnandler Bong

amywise9 wrote: »

I watched in horror at the Clare player hitting his opponent last week and then the Kerry lad did something similar.
Do these guys not realise they are setting a bad example to young boys and girls who look up to them?
For as long as I have been supporting GAA there has always been a thuggish element to the games in both football and hurling. Unless, the GAA makes definitive efforts to sort out these players with long suspensions it will continue.
Hurling can be a thrilling game to watch so too can football without the dragging and pulling.
Referees need to be a lot tougher and work in unison with their linesmen and umpires.
Dublin's National Hurling League win was refreshing and a joy to watch. It was the much-needed 'injection' that Hurling has needed. Let's not spoil that achievement by permitting thugs to play the game.

It goes on in every sport dont be generalising the GAA, and if you dont like it then dont go... simple:rolleyes:

ShamoBuc

Shane10 wrote: »

i disagree, the refs are spoiling the games, blowing up for free's for the slighest little tug or contact. you cant even see a good shoulder now. its a mans game and thats the way it should be left. the kids arent that sensitive. i think the majority of people want to see a bit of action anyway.

I've a feeling your definition of action is different to many others. Head butting by the Clare lad and punching like Ó Sé did, are not my idea of action!
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ballsymchugh

ShamoBuc wrote: »

I've a feeling your definition of action is different to many others. Head butting by the Clare lad and punching like Ó Sé did, are not my idea of action!
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agreed. a contact sport doesn't mean all out assault. it doesn't matter how passionate the player is. i know it's a different sport in a different country, but duncan ferguson got 3 months in prison for headbutting a player in scotland.

Clareman

My first instinct for this thread is that it's a troll attempt, and a very poor 1 at that, but I'll give it the benefit of the doubt and say it's not.

Every sport has players go over the top at every level, if I was to think of some of the higher profile sports I would come up with the following examples of terrible elements off the top of my head:
Soccer - Cantana kung fu kick, Di Canio pushing ref over.
Rugby - Burger gouging, McGraw vs. RoG on Lions tour, Bloodgate.
Golf - Tiger Woods "infidelities", Harrington & Singh tournament disqualifications for "cheating"
Cricket - Match fixing, coaches being strangled
Athletics/cycling - doping
Ice Skating - Tonya Harding doing yerone's knee
Formula 1 - tyres not up to the race, teams spying on other teams, crashing on purpose

Every sport has moments of "shame", it's not just a GAA issue, personally I find issues that happen on the pitch "during the heat of battle" a lot easier to stomach that people intentionally going out to cheat (such as doping or injuring other players)

Clareman

ShamoBuc wrote: »

I've a feeling your definition of action is different to many others. Head butting by the Clare lad and punching like Ó Sé did, are not my idea of action!
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Heading butting and closed fist punches aren't allowed in wrestling, also W is after G so the forum would be below not to the side

Now if you have said the MMA forum is ...... that would have been better

hotmail.com

Clareman wrote: »

My first instinct for this thread is that it's a troll attempt, and a very poor 1 at that, but I'll give it the benefit of the doubt and say it's not.

Every sport has players go over the top at every level, if I was to think of some of the higher profile sports I would come up with the following examples of terrible elements off the top of my head:
Soccer - Cantana kung fu kick, Di Canio pushing ref over.
Rugby - Burger gouging, McGraw vs. RoG on Lions tour, Bloodgate.
Golf - Tiger Woods "infidelities", Harrington & Singh tournament disqualifications for "cheating"
Cricket - Match fixing, coaches being strangled
Athletics/cycling - doping
Ice Skating - Tonya Harding doing yerone's knee
Formula 1 - tyres not up to the race, teams spying on other teams, crashing on purpose

Every sport has moments of "shame", it's not just a GAA issue, personally I find issues that happen on the pitch "during the heat of battle" a lot easier to stomach that people intentionally going out to cheat (such as doping or injuring other players)

They aren't fair comparisons at all.

Is football and hurling contact or non contact sports? I think that's what the OP wants to know. It can't be somewhere in between.

Clareman

I read it as players setting bad examples for kids, so for comparison stakes I was using other bad examples.

ShamoBuc

Clareman wrote: »

Heading butting and closed fist punches aren't allowed in wrestling, also W is after G so the forum would be below not to the side

Now if you have said the MMA forum is ...... that would have been better

Pretend head butting and pretend punching is allowed I thought;)

I was never good with directions:D

bruschi

disregarding what seems like a wind up thread, there are aspects of the game which are not good.

respect for referees. - for all the crap that rugby has with gouging, stamping etc, the referee has respect. granted it is easier for a captain to be near a referee as the play moves all with the ball, whereas in GAA captains can be at other ends of the field. but whatever the case, the referee does not get abused as much, and I absolutley hate being at games with some gob****e roaring abuse at the ref. There is times it is easy to get frustrated with bad officiating, but players make mistakes, so do refs.

disciplinary action - the GAA template for disciplinary action is diabolical. it is a shambles of a set up. weekly suspensions, which could mean a 2 week ban for one player misses no games, and the same ban for another could miss 3 games. the CCCC and other appeals processes are ridiculous as well, and especially when players get legal advice to find loopholes to get out of a suspension.

general negativity - in more cases (football moreso) it makes more sense to just pull down a player and concede a free than try play football. there isnt enough punishment, and the yellow card situation falls into the above. the fact a player could accumulate a yellow card in every game he plays, but serve no suspension is ridiculous.

I dont think the 'violence' that the OP talks about is as bad as made out though. its not that often that you see extreme acts of violence, and if there is anything, the media seem to highlight it more in GAA than any other sport played on these shores.

Clareman

Clareman wrote: »

Golf - Tiger Woods "infidelities", Harrington & Singh tournament disqualifications for "cheating"

Woods stuff was off course?... hardly relevant then.

And while I'm not sure about Singh are you referring to when Harrington was DQ'd for failing to sign a scorecard?
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12051_6681738,00.html

Hardly cheating as you put it

themandan6611

Clareman wrote: »

Every sport has players go over the top at every level, if I was to think of some of the higher profile sports I would come up with the following examples of terrible elements off the top of my head:
Golf - Tiger Woods "infidelities", Harrington & Singh tournament disqualifications for "cheating"

Every sport has moments of "shame", it's not just a GAA issue, personally I find issues that happen on the pitch "during the heat of battle" a lot easier to stomach that people intentionally going out to cheat (such as doping or injuring other players)

come on, Harrington making an honest error, taking the significant outcome in a gracious manner is hardly "examples of terrible elements" or shameful. In fact it could be argued that if others who make mistakes took their punishment in the same way a lot of sports would be better off.

Everything is relevant - most of these other sports are played by larger numbers than GAA hence the potential for instances of bad behaviour to happen would be higher. Plus when its professional sport, the stakes are higher and people's incentive to cheat increase.

Clareman

I was trying to get examples of people from other sports that could have been regarded as bad for kids. I would classify cheating as anything against the rules of the game, Henry cheated to help beat Ireland, but that wouldn't have been considered cheating in other sports. Singh was banned I think for signing an incorrect score, this had a direct impact on him qualifying for the tour the following year, Harrington got disqualified twice I think, once for not signing his card and another for a ball moving.

I was trying to point out that every sport has examples of players going beyond the rules

Annuv

amywise9 wrote: »

I watched in horror at the Clare player hitting his opponent last week and then the Kerry lad did something similar.
Do these guys not realise they are setting a bad example to young boys and girls who look up to them?
For as long as I have been supporting GAA there has always been a thuggish element to the games in both football and hurling. Unless, the GAA makes definitive efforts to sort out these players with long suspensions it will continue.
Hurling can be a thrilling game to watch so too can football without the dragging and pulling.
Referees need to be a lot tougher and work in unison with their linesmen and umpires.
Dublin's National Hurling League win was refreshing and a joy to watch. It was the much-needed 'injection' that Hurling has needed. Let's not spoil that achievement by permitting thugs to play the game.

Surely a WUM?
Jesus thug and thuggery are real buzzwords around here recently.

Did you really watch in 'horror'? I mean these are grown men playing a contact sport, with in their eyes, a lot a stake. Of course there's going to be flashpoints, there's been incidents like this since the beginning of hurling and football, and they occur in all physical sports. It was an ugly scene no doubt but do you really think in the week following the incident, for which the player was punished, there was young lads all around the country throwing head butts at each other?

"For as long as I have been supporting GAA there has always been a thuggish element to the games in both football and hurling" This in my opinion is bull****, and if you really think that then perhaps they are not the games for you, watch something like the gentlemans game of rugby and spare yourself some horror
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vZBjqRzZOM

hotmail.com

Annuv wrote: »

Surely a WUM?
Jesus thug and thuggery are real buzzwords around here recently.

Did you really watch in 'horror'? I mean these are grown men playing a contact sport, with in their eyes, a lot a stake. Of course there's going to be flashpoints, there's been incidents like this since the beginning of hurling and football, and they occur in all physical sports. It was an ugly scene no doubt but do you really think in the week following the incident, for which the player was punished, there was young lads all around the country throwing head butts at each other?

"For as long as I have been supporting GAA there has always been a thuggish element to the games in both football and hurling" This in my opinion is bull****, and if you really think that then perhaps they are not the games for you, watch something like the gentlemans game of rugby and spare yourself some horror
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vZBjqRzZOM

So it is a contact sport now?

macadam

Shane10 wrote: »

i disagree, the refs are spoiling the games, blowing up for free's for the slighest little tug or contact. you cant even see a good shoulder now. its a mans game and thats the way it should be left. the kids arent that sensitive. i think the majority of people want to see a bit of action anyway.

You have read the Rule Book?

"Obviously not" people like you are whats wrong with the game, if you want to see a fight go to a boxing match..

DDC1990

hotmail.com wrote: »

So it is a contact sport now?

Gaa? Yup prutty sure its a contact sport.
Have you heard otherwise?

hotmail.com

DDC1990 wrote: »

Gaa? Yup prutty sure its a contact sport.
Have you heard otherwise?

Can you be more specific on what it means to be a contact sport? Are the players allowed to do anything they like?

DDC1990

hotmail.com wrote: »

Can you be more specific on what it means to be a contact sport? Are the players allowed to do anything they like?

http://tinyurl.com/4yvdk5c

Should be specific enough.

hotmail.com

DDC1990 wrote: »

http://tinyurl.com/4yvdk5c

Should be specific enough.

That clears up nothing. The contact issue is blurry one in the GAA.

ShamoBuc

hotmail.com wrote: »

That clears up nothing. The contact issue is blurry one in the GAA.

In what regard?

DDC1990

hotmail.com wrote: »

That clears up nothing. The contact issue is blurry one in the GAA.

http://tinyurl.com/3lmcst3

Ok. Look at the right hand box. Contact sport.

Shoulder to Shoulder tackles etc allowed.

hotmail.com

DDC1990 wrote: »

http://tinyurl.com/3lmcst3

Ok. Look at the right hand box. Contact sport.

Shoulder to Shoulder tackles etc allowed.

What are the specific rules for football and hurling...

DDC1990

hotmail.com wrote: »

What are the specific rules for football and hurling...

1.8 Player(s) may tackle an opponent for the ball.
1.9 Provided that he has at least one foot on the
ground, a player may make a shoulder to
shoulder charge on an opponent-
(a) who is in possession of the ball, or
(b) who is playing the ball, or
(c) when both players are moving in the
direction of the ball to play it.
When he is within the small rectangle, the
goalkeeper may not be charged but he may be
challenged for possession of the ball, and his
puck, kick or pass may be blocked. Incidental
contact with the goalkeeper while playing the
ball is permitted.

http://www.gaa.ie/content/documents/publications/official_guides/Official_Guide_2010_Part2.pdf


p.s Did you not get it after the first 2. Why dont you Google it yourself!!!
Anyway, your lucky my exams are over and Im doing f-all! :P

ShamoBuc

hotmail.com wrote: »

What are the specific rules for football and hurling...

You can use a computer can't you? Look them up for yourself!

I asked you earlier - in what regard is the contact issue a blurry one in your opinion?

All you seem capable of doing is answering questions with questions.

ShamoBuc

DDC1990 wrote: »

http://www.gaa.ie/content/documents/publications/official_guides/Official_Guide_2010_Part2.pdf


p.s Did you not get it after the first 2. Why dont you Google it yourself!!!
Anyway, your lucky my exams are over and Im doing f-all! :P

Snap:D

bruschi

dont be wasting your time with a wummer lads.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=71790791&postcount=83

hotmail.com

bruschi wrote: »

dont be wasting your time with a wummer lads.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=71790791&postcount=83

I'm scared that you looked back on my comments. Scared.

hotmail.com

DDC1990 wrote: »

http://www.gaa.ie/content/documents/publications/official_guides/Official_Guide_2010_Part2.pdf


p.s Did you not get it after the first 2. Why dont you Google it yourself!!!
Anyway, your lucky my exams are over and Im doing f-all! :P

Those rules are blurry, unclear, complicated and unenforceable on a consistent basis.

ShamoBuc

hotmail.com wrote: »

Those rules are blurry, unclear, complicated and unenforceable on a consistent basis.

try putting your glasses on:rolleyes: and then google the answer of whatever question you want to ask next.





/ washes hands

Clareman

This thread is falling into a complete mess of bickering, can't see any point in leaving it open so I'm closing it