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The X-Case, nearly 20 years on . . . . abortions for nobody

  • 25-05-2011 9:36am
    #1
    Rabidlamb
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    Wrong place, thread restarted in After Hours.


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  • #2
    RichardAnd
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    And this has what to do with economics?


  • #3
    Rabidlamb
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    A bloody hell, wrong forum.
    Could one of the mods please move this to After Hours where I believe it will get the most lively responses.
    Thanks, sorry again.


  • #4
    RichardAnd
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    Rabidlamb wrote: »
    A bloody hell, wrong forum.
    Could one of the mods please move this to After Hours where I believe it will get the most lively responses.
    Thanks, sorry again.


    After hours isn't what you want. A serious matter like this would be better discussed in, perhaps, the main politics forum?


  • #5
    Cookie_Monster
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    Rabidlamb wrote: »
    I believe a referendum should be called for granting the right of abortion when the mothers life is at risk.

    why only if at risk, why not simply if they want one?


  • #6
    Stark
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    Did we not already have a passed referendum on the right of abortion when the mother's life is at risk?


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  • #7
    ardmacha
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    If the thread is about why the X case judgement has not been reflected in legislation then the main politics forum is the place. If it is about the merits of abortion then After Hours is the place. The two issues are different and if it about the lack of legislation then people need to keep to the topic.


  • #8
    beeftotheheels
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    Stark wrote: »
    Did we not already have a passed referendum on the right of abortion when the mother's life is at risk?

    We have, yet our failure to actually legislate on this means that we don't actually protect the right to life of the mother according to the ECHR

    http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/echr-rules-against-ireland-in-abortion-case-485911.html


  • #9
    Rabidlamb
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    ardmacha wrote: »
    If the thread is about why the X case judgement has not been reflected in legislation then the main politics forum is the place. If it is about the merits of abortion then After Hours is the place. The two issues are different and if it about the lack of legislation then people need to keep to the topic.

    Then I leave it in the hands of the mods to decide.


  • #10
    seamus
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    Rabidlamb wrote: »
    Had I been the parent I would have been visiting the clinic before getting back on the boat.
    Under Irish law at the time, they would all have faced charges as serious as murder - parents and daughter.
    So obviously they felt that going home and fighting for their right to carry out the procedure was preferable to going home and fighting 20 years in prison.


  • #11
    mike65
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    I'd suggest humanities for this one.


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  • #12
    Rabidlamb
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    seamus wrote: »
    Under Irish law at the time, they would all have faced charges as serious as murder - parents and daughter.
    So obviously they felt that going home and fighting for their right to carry out the procedure was preferable to going home and fighting 20 years in prison.

    Even though no crime was committed on Irish soil, I find that interesting.
    The "visit the clinic" remark was reactionary, as a parent would after their underage daughter is raped.
    They could have told the Irish authorities she'd had a miscarriage.


  • #13
    [Deleted User]
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    (Since this is the economics forum)

    well this is a double edged sword.....we need more babbies to fund our retirements in the future but right now we need cut backs.

    I propose we cull everyone under 25 (since the unemployment rate is so high in that age group) we would save billions in welfare and wouldnt have to pay out money in child minding and could temporarily shut down schools and colleges.

    I think we have our solution to the deficit here


  • #14
    seamus
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    Rabidlamb wrote: »
    Even though no crime was committed on Irish soil, I find that interesting.
    It's not uncommon. Many countries have provision to try their citizens for serious crimes committed in a foreign jurisdiction, particularly when the crime is committed against a countryman.
    The "visit the clinic" remark was reactionary, as a parent would after their underage daughter is raped.
    They could have told the Irish authorities she'd had a miscarriage.
    Well, the key point of the case is that they wanted to nail the other guy for rape. So they consulted the Garda they'd made the rape complaint to and presumably told him of their plans and asked whether or not DNA would be sufficient.
    The investigating Garda then probably punted the query up the line, and eventually the attorney-general got wind of it and decided that they should additionally be arrested if the child is aborted.

    At that stage if they came home and said, "Whoops, it was a miscarriage actually, but here's the DNA evidence", the state would still have a very strong case against them.

    On the other hand, if they'd not consulted the Gardai involved and just gone and done it, it would never have been an issue.


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