Pursuing Peace

wolfsbane

Just to say how glad I am that the royal visit went so well. A great step in word and symbol toward peace between our nations in these islands. An acknowledgement of mutual fault and suffering.

Anyway, this Ulster Prod greatly appreciates the response of the Irish people.

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Hebrews 12:14 Pursue peace with all people, and holiness, without which no one will see the Lord:

Quo Vadis

God willing we can now spend more time looking forward than back.

Donatello

I think it is good. I look forward to the day when the monarch, having converted to the Catholic faith, reigns supreme over a newly established United Catholic Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland (including the Isle of Man, Channel Islands, and Guernsey).

You'll notice that the people who protested the visit are the most extreme element of what can only be described as anti-Christian Marxists. I think it is very important that Britain retains the royal family because we'll need them later.

lmaopml

Donatello..





WHY??? Why comment that way? Crikey..



..you have really cool posts sometimes, but I often wonder why oh why do your fingers feel the need to hit the keyboard. Silence is really golden sometimes, and lording over people is not exactly endearing?

If I were standing in front of you I would be putting you on the naughty step for sure :P a full half hour at least...and no internet for a week.

Onesimus

lmaopml wrote: »

Donatello..





WHY??? Why comment that way? Crikey..



..you have really cool posts sometimes, but I often wonder why oh why do your fingers feel the need to hit the keyboard. Silence is really golden sometimes, and lording over people is not exactly endearing?

If I were standing in front of you I would be putting you on the naughty step for sure :P a full half hour at least...and no internet for a week.

Yeah we shouldnt speak out for unity and look forward to the day when all Christians will be united under one faith. We should just pray that everyone stays the way they are Catholic, Orthodox and protestant alike. :rolleyes:

Sometimes I wonder why any of us bother to hit the keyboard. *coughs and points elbow in the direction of lmaopml. :pac::P

But if I may comment myself. I think its excellent that the peace between Christians both Catholic, Orthodox and protestants alike is finally coming to its peak and the Queens visit is great and one that will increase that peace process all the more.

The naysayers were few, very few and we should pray for them.

lmaopml

Ok, I'll take that on my very virtual chin Onesimus

....I still think it's unnecessary, but hey ho, some people never miss an opportunity, and miss the point by a long mile..

My bad that they annoy me, and I say it. *shucks*

Onesimus

lmaopml wrote: »

Ok, I'll take that on my very virtual chin Onesimus

....I still think it's unnecessary, but hey ho, some people never miss an opportunity, and miss the point by a long mile..

My bad that they annoy me, and I say it. *shucks*

Whats the point we are missing here lmaopml? Donatello has acknowledged the Queens visit as a positive one for peace and prays for a united Christianity one day in the British isles in which all will live in authentic peace under one faith and true Church. If he said it and there was absence of sincereity and love in his reply and just said it to get under our prods skin ( which isnt an attitude that promotes peace ) then I can see how your reply would be a plausable one. But we dont know with what attitude he said it with...maybe we should ask him...yoo hoo Donatello? come in here soon and put lmaopmls assumptions about your post to rest will ye? :pac::P

Onesimus

lmaopml wrote: »

Donatello..





WHY??? Why comment that way? Crikey..



..you have really cool posts sometimes, but I often wonder why oh why do your fingers feel the need to hit the keyboard. Silence is really golden sometimes, and lording over people is not exactly endearing?

If I were standing in front of you I would be putting you on the naughty step for sure :P a full half hour at least...and no internet for a week.

actually my apologies I've just ran through his post again and can see where you are coming from. My fault for not reading his post properly and it was certainly an unneccesary dig.

Bows his head and asks forgiveness.

Onesimus

Donatello

What's the issue? I point out the positive and describe the negative.

Plowman

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AhSureTisGrand

Donatello wrote: »

I think it is good. I look forward to the day when the monarch, having converted to the Catholic faith, reigns supreme over a newly established United Catholic Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland (including the Isle of Man, Channel Islands, and Guernsey).

You'll notice that the people who protested the visit are the most extreme element of what can only be described as anti-Christian Marxists. I think it is very important that Britain retains the royal family because we'll need them later.

Would that be the Catholic monarchy as described by the vortex guy with the wig?

Doctor DooM

Plowman wrote: »

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Personally, I found the anti catholic marxist thing absurd.

Like Catholicism isn't used as an excuse for violence.


I don't think CoE Christians would be overjoved with the thought of the monarchy's soul purpose being a reversion to Catholicism either

partyatmygaff

Donatello wrote: »

I think it is good. I look forward to the day when the monarch, having converted to the Catholic faith, reigns supreme over a newly established United Catholic Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland (including the Isle of Man, Channel Islands, and Guernsey).

No thanks.

I fully support ecumenism and the eventual re-unification of the Church but I cannot agree with you on the latter point.

Ireland is a republic and should remain a republic. I do not want an unelected monarch to "reign supreme" over me. With all due respect to the Queen, I find it completely nonsensical to have such nepotism in state affairs. Why should we randomly select one family and then elevate them to the status of nobility and royalty only to then fund them a privileged lifestyle.

I know this strayed a bit too much in to politics but i'll keep our republic thank you very much.

Donatello

Doctor DooM wrote: »

Personally, I found the anti catholic marxist thing absurd.

Like Catholicism isn't used as an excuse for violence.


I don't think CoE Christians would be overjoved with the thought of the monarchy's soul purpose being a reversion to Catholicism either

The fellas that protested are socialists who happen to dislike the Queen and the Catholic Church. I don't think I am factually incorrect in stating that. If I am, you might correct me.

Doctor DooM

Donatello wrote: »

The fellas that protested are socialists who happen to dislike the Queen and the Catholic Church. I don't think I am factually incorrect in stating that. If I am, you might correct me.

Some of them were at least socialist, yes.

I assume you are speaking of Eirigi when you say marxist as part of their platform is a socialist republic.

I don't have much time for them but I checked their campaigns page and couldn't find a single thing about the catholic church. In fact, I found an article bemoaning the low number of catholics in the PSNI.

Asry

yeah man, no way would I be a part of that empire. Although it would be nice for all the Christians to be together but under whose auspices would that be? Maybe an amalgamation...with compromises...and we'd all be at peace and everyone would be happy! Oh idealistic impossible world.

And yes, I'm so very glad that the visit went well. It made me feel proud of us and this moment in history.

Keylem

I loved watching the Queen's Visit, a very proud moment indeed!

Isn't there supposed to be a 'ONE WORLD RELIGION' predicted for the end times, something to do with the Anti-Christ at the helm! :eek:

shadowninty

Keylem wrote: »

Isn't there supposed to be a 'ONE WORLD RELIGION' predicted for the end times,

tis called Atheism

partyatmygaff

shadowninty wrote: »

tis called Atheism

Atheism is a religion now?



I knew it :pac:

PDN

partyatmygaff wrote: »

Atheism is a religion now?



I knew it :pac:

Only when atheists butcher millions of people. Then other atheists say, "Ah, but they were being religious-like".

(that's unless they try to blame it on mustaches)

shadowninty

partyatmygaff wrote: »

Atheism is a religion now?



I knew it :pac:

well the way some people preach it... :pac:

JimiTime

Maybe something good will come of this, so if it does then I will say, 'great'. All in all though, I think what happened here in Dublin was a show of the absolute detatchment the political establishment have on the average citizen. They had no issue in absolutely disrupting our lives for a week. People with Children having three hour commutes home from work due to the closures in the city etc. Plans had to be cancelled etc, childcare arrangements were messed up. Innocent people not being able to park at their own houses, having their bags searched etc. All and all, it was a huge inconvenience. If some tangiable benefits come from it, then in hindsight I'll accept it. However, at this moment in time, I think it accentuated the complete disassociation that politicians have with their public.

Personally, I think those who hate Britain, and hang onto old grudges etc, will continue to be so. Haters will hate as they say. And the rest of us, who want for peace, and grieve for the atrocities that murderous people have committed, whatever their flag or creed, will continue in that vain.

maybe I'm just being negative, but what happened in Dubln this week with the closures etc, was completely thoughtless for the citizens of Dublin, and IMO, way out of order.

hinault

partyatmygaff wrote: »

No thanks.

I fully support ecumenism and the eventual re-unification of the Church but I cannot agree with you on the latter point.

Ireland is a republic and should remain a republic. I do not want an unelected monarch to "reign supreme" over me. With all due respect to the Queen, I find it completely nonsensical to have such nepotism in state affairs. Why should we randomly select one family and then elevate them to the status of nobility and royalty only to then fund them a privileged lifestyle.

I know this strayed a bit too much in to politics but i'll keep our republic thank you very much.

I agree with all of this.

And could I add that the British Royal family could greatly assist ecumenism by lifting the ban on Roman Catholics becoming monarchs and by repealing the Act of Settlement.

wolfsbane

Donatello wrote: »

I think it is good. I look forward to the day when the monarch, having converted to the Catholic faith, reigns supreme over a newly established United Catholic Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland (including the Isle of Man, Channel Islands, and Guernsey).

You'll notice that the people who protested the visit are the most extreme element of what can only be described as anti-Christian Marxists. I think it is very important that Britain retains the royal family because we'll need them later.

As always, I appreciate your honesty - and I take no offence.

You are perfectly entitled to hope for an RC monarch of the British Isles. I, however, would regard that as a big danger to civil & religious liberty. 'Reigning supreme' and Catholicism are a bad mix, and have a bad history. The freedom Brits have came when we put manners on both royalty and Catholicism.

I'm a British republican, but happy to exist with our monarchy, a monarchy that knows its place. I doubt an elected politician for President would serve us any better; indeed, looking around the world, we could be a lot worse off.

Now, if we could have a union of our islands that upheld civil & religious liberty, I don't care if it is a constitutional monarchy or a republic.

You are partly right about the anti-Christian Marxist element of the dissidents. But it must be said that another element - opposed not only to the visit but to the peace-process - is a strongly Catholic element of Republicanism.

For example, Billy McKee, former OC of the Belfast IRA and of the Army Council, is a regular mass-goer. In a recent interview he defended the killings of Jean McConville, who was taken from her children, murdered and buried on a Louth beach for many years, and Cons. Kerr, the Catholic policeman blown up recently. He said he "knew what was in front of him" when he decided to join the PSNI.

McKee also says Sinn Fein " betrayed the republican movement" by signing up to the good Friday Agreement and allowing decommissioning.

We still have traditional Catholics and traditional Protestants who see only the wrongs done to their side, and who are unwilling to meet any legitimate demands the other community has. And of course the anti-Christian Marxist and atheist ethnic nationalists on both sides.

It is imperative that folk of good-will do not allow them to succeed.

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Philippians 2:4 Let each of you look out not only for his own interests, but also for the interests of others.

wolfsbane

JimiTime wrote: »

Maybe something good will come of this, so if it does then I will say, 'great'. All in all though, I think what happened here in Dublin was a show of the absolute detatchment the political establishment have on the average citizen. They had no issue in absolutely disrupting our lives for a week. People with Children having three hour commutes home from work due to the closures in the city etc. Plans had to be cancelled etc, childcare arrangements were messed up. Innocent people not being able to park at their own houses, having their bags searched etc. All and all, it was a huge inconvenience. If some tangiable benefits come from it, then in hindsight I'll accept it. However, at this moment in time, I think it accentuated the complete disassociation that politicians have with their public.

Personally, I think those who hate Britain, and hang onto old grudges etc, will continue to be so. Haters will hate as they say. And the rest of us, who want for peace, and grieve for the atrocities that murderous people have committed, whatever their flag or creed, will continue in that vain.

maybe I'm just being negative, but what happened in Dubln this week with the closures etc, was completely thoughtless for the citizens of Dublin, and IMO, way out of order.

I do appreciate the inconvenience caused. But such is the reality of modern State visits. Really BIG threats exist. Is it the State or the threateners who are to blame for the inconvenience?

Even Obama will need some careful handling, as the guys who would like a shot at him are a very much more determined lot.

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Philippians 2:4 Let each of you look out not only for his own interests, but also for the interests of others.

Quo Vadis

shadowninty wrote: »

well the way some people preach it... :pac:

Funny enough the BBC have it under their Religion section, along with a list of the New Atheists core beliefs.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/

Doctor DooM

Quo Vadis wrote: »

Funny enough the BBC have it under their Religion section, along with a list of the New Atheists core beliefs.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/

Must be a short list- the only shared belief for atheists is that there's likely no god.


EDIT: Lol, unders beliefs it just has reasons people become atheists and critcisms of religion as opposed to some made up belief set for atheists.

Zombrex

Donatello wrote: »

I think it is good. I look forward to the day when the monarch, having converted to the Catholic faith, reigns supreme over a newly established United Catholic Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland (including the Isle of Man, Channel Islands, and Guernsey).

You'll notice that the people who protested the visit are the most extreme element of what can only be described as anti-Christian Marxists. I think it is very important that Britain retains the royal family because we'll need them later.

There are a lot of words I would use to describe these guys, but Marxist wouldn't be very high on the list :pac:

Zombrex

PDN wrote: »

Only when atheists butcher millions of people. Then other atheists say, "Ah, but they were being religious-like".

Devotion to an ideology and dogma that is considered perfect, infallible and cannot be called into questioned? Check.

Devotion to an individual or group of individuals who are assumed to act righteously and always in the best interests of the people? Check.

Notion that to disagree or refuse to follow individuals and dogma is evil and immoral? Check.

Notion that doing this leads to ruin for everyone else? Check.

Now, am I describing something like Stalinism or am I describing Judeo-Christian religion. Hard to tell really, isn't it. :eek:

Just because you are an atheist doesn't mean you can't use the same things religion uses to control people. If you think the rest of us have been saying otherwise, or that this fact means atheism itself is a religion, you really haven't been following the points being made in this seemingly endless discussion :rolleyes:

Zombrex

shadowninty wrote: »

well the way some people preach it... :pac:

I also preach that you wash your hands after going to the bath room. Must be a religion too