Drum Set

xxtattyberxx

Im not sure if this is in the right place to put this but will soon find out I suppose.
Right my young lad has been doing drum lessons for a year now, hes fairly decent at it and in really into it. Santa got him an electrical drum set but he just never took to them,so now Im considering getting him a proper drum set. I know he's get good use out of them.
So Im wondering is there a way to sould proof a room? I live in a council house and know my neighbours defo wouldnt appreciate it, In 2 minds weather to put a shed out the back and put them in there or as I said sound proof a room.
Another question is where would be the best place to get a decent drum set. Ive been warned of the music shop in Galway city as its meant to a rip of.

Mucho thanks in advance

Gingganggooley

There are plenty of decent second hand drum kits for sale on various websites such as Adverts.ie, and there are many ways of dampening/muffling drums. The drum tutor would have advice on both.

Communication is the key to success with your neighbours. Arrange for mutually acceptable time slots.

Drums do not need to be played loudly. They are meant to accompany musicians and not the other way around.

xxtattyberxx

Gingganggooley wrote: »

Communication is the key to success with your neighbours..

seeing as
Ive to listen to her new born whaling at all hrs I think the drums will be a blessing. Will have a nose on adverts and such cheers

flyswatter

xxtattyberxx wrote: »

Im not sure if this is in the right place to put this but will soon find out I suppose.
Right my young lad has been doing drum lessons for a year now, hes fairly decent at it and in really into it. Santa got him an electrical drum set but he just never took to them,so now Im considering getting him a proper drum set. I know he's get good use out of them.
So Im wondering is there a way to sould proof a room? I live in a council house and know my neighbours defo wouldnt appreciate it, In 2 minds weather to put a shed out the back and put them in there or as I said sound proof a room.
Another question is where would be the best place to get a decent drum set. Ive been warned of the music shop in Galway city as its meant to a rip of.

Mucho thanks in advance

Whats your price range? At the moment, the Gretsch Catalina range are probably the best kit you can get for 500-600 euro. My drum teacher recommends them and a friend of mine has one. Look for a second hand one on adverts first.



I'm half thinking of selling my E-Kit and buying one. I haven't played acoustic drums in ages and you can't beat playing an acoustic kit even though my Roland Kit is fantastic, it's just not the same as a real one!

unclebill98

Playing drums with neighbours next door is highly stupid. Your highly unlikely to reach any long term agreement with them.

I've done this years ago in two places I lived, it will never work.

If you get them cover the drums with dampers to dull the sound at least. Still that noise can travel so it still may be annoying.

If you want him to let loose book him into a studio for a few hours a week to play as loud as he wants. Some studios would do reduced rates for this.

rcaz

....I play drums in my house, with neighbours on both sides, about five days a week most weeks, and it's fine. We did an agreement when I got my kit, of 12-6 Monday-Saturday being acceptable times. I'd rarely play for more than a half hour at a time. My band practices in our house for about 4 hours once or twice a week over summer, and hardly ever the rest of the year 'cause we're all in university.

True, drums don't need to be played loudly, but for a 'young lad' just getting started, I'd be surprised if he didn't want to beat the **** out of the kit the whole time

Which is great! And if you can reach an agreement with neighbours, it's a great skill to learn, a great way to blow off steam, and as he gets into it and learns more about control and the finer details and starts playing softer as well as louder, it's a great discipline and mental exercise (whoever said drummers were dumb never learned his rudiements )

And an acoustic drum kit is NOTHING like an electronic kit. You can't learn proper feel and proper control on an electronic kit (you can apply it to it after you learn it, but I don't reckon you can build it from scratch on it).

If you can make it work, definitely go for it

xxtattyberxx

El Pr0n wrote: »

....I play drums in my house, with neighbours on both sides, about five days a week most weeks, and it's fine. We did an agreement when I got my kit, of 12-6 Monday-Saturday being acceptable times. I'd rarely play for more than a half hour at a time. My band practices in our house for about 4 hours once or twice a week over summer, and hardly ever the rest of the year 'cause we're all in university.

True, drums don't need to be played loudly, but for a 'young lad' just getting started, I'd be surprised if he didn't want to beat the **** out of the kit the whole time

Which is great! And if you can reach an agreement with neighbours, it's a great skill to learn, a great way to blow off steam, and as he gets into it and learns more about control and the finer details and starts playing softer as well as louder, it's a great discipline and mental exercise (whoever said drummers were dumb never learned his rudiements )

And an acoustic drum kit is NOTHING like an electronic kit. You can't learn proper feel and proper control on an electronic kit (you can apply it to it after you learn it, but I don't reckon you can build it from scratch on it).

If you can make it work, definitely go for it

This is pretty much what I wanted to hear
I was originally thinking of a shed out the back with a drum set in it, but at this stage Id be paying more for the bleedin shed. That might come in time.

He is only 8 and goes to bed at 8(ish) so last night drumming wouldnt be to much of an issue as of it.

Thanks for the advice and help :P

flyswatter

unclebill98 wrote: »

Playing drums with neighbours next door is highly stupid. Your highly unlikely to reach any long term agreement with them.

I've done this years ago in two places I lived, it will never work.

If you get them cover the drums with dampers to dull the sound at least. Still that noise can travel so it still may be annoying.

If you want him to let loose book him into a studio for a few hours a week to play as loud as he wants. Some studios would do reduced rates for this.

I don't agree with this.

If you reach an agreement with your neighbours it should be grand.

If the neighbours don't like loud drumming from an acoustic kit then there is always an electric kit.

Why should you waste money on a studio? If the child really gets into it, he will get frustrated wanting to play more at home and not in a studio.

I think most people like to hear young people showing an interest in music and watch them progress as musicians.

unclebill98

I doubt any body is willing to listen to a kid playing drums next door. They may agree at the start but it will not last long.

The op has already stated the neighbours would not like it. I simply pointed out the alternative. They already tried the electric kit avenue.

There's also the difference between an attached house and a detached one. The low end of an acoustic kit will be hard to stop in a council house unless the room is completely stripped and properly sound proofed.

i57dwun4yb1pt8

i really dont think you should subject your next doors to this
you wouldnt want it to happen to you

agreements are all fine , but they WILL resent you and will hold it against you in some form later .

if its detached house , then do what you like
but if it its semi d - do the following
if its mid terrace , forget it

and outside block shed is a much better solution - not wood or metal .

if you really do plan on doing it in the house then its best if its in a ground floor room , on a solid floor , not upstairs .

if you have to do it upstairs then you HAVE to isolate the kit from the floor

best thing is to put down inch thick ply sheets , but put it on top of at least 1. 5 inches of heavy rubber under lay

and put heavy insulation or underlay on the ceiling in the attic above .

and in the furthest room from the next doors if possible

you should also tune the kit up so that the low end is less than usual.

xxtattyberxx

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and outside block shed is a much better solution - not wood or metal .


you should also tune the kit up so that the low end is less than usual.[/QUOTE]


Why would it ve a block shed, was looking for sheds online, just for rough prices etc, steel sheds are very common but I persume they would echo, would it be the same with wood and plastic, I'm not pulling the piss asking, i genuinely dont know.

Tune the kit? I understand you have to tune a guitar but tune a drum set?

unclebill98

A non sound proofed Concrete shed would stop the sound from travelling better than a non treated wooden or steel shed.

So concrete would be better but more expensive.

68 lost souls

Yes tune a drum kit. This is far more important than people think. Any average specced drum kit will sound much better when it is tuned properly. THe tension in each lug is important and that there is a nice even tension across the skin. The shop you buy them from, once it is a bricks and mortar shop should be able to do this for you, they may charge you for it though as there is a decent bit of work in it, maybe 20 - 50 euro. Saying that they might do it for you or at least they will walk you through it or his teacher will show him.

Here is a video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyjgdZh_hxs

That video doesnt duscuss though the tuning of the bottom skin, change the tension on the bottom skin will help to elimante over tones and will have a difference on the volume as well.