To Cayo or not to Cayo 2.0

jusmeig

I do quite a lot of cycling. I have a Specialized Sirrus Comp and I commute every other day about 50k, and ride @ the weekends.

Although my Sirrus is only a year old I kind of regret not going for a pure road bike. I've been thinking of upgrading again and getting a bike for longer cycles at the weekend etc, and was looking at this bike on Wiggle:

http://www.wiggle.co.uk/focus-cayo-20-ultegra-compact-2011/

For the price it seems to have great specs? Full carbon frame and Shimano Ultegra, for €1500?! Looking at the Irish sites for Specialized your talking €2500+ for a Roubaix/Tarmac with full carbon and Ultegra. Where's the trade off, is it just the brand?

Has anyone got one of these bike?
Would you recommend it for commuting?

Thanks in advance.

ashleey

I have last year's focus team replica and you won't be disappointed. I think this year's version may have cheaper wheels than your comparison bikes but I'm not definite. Do your research and wiggle are fine

Plastik

Felt Z6, Planet X..... loads of options out there

ednwireland

i've got a 09 cayo 1, love it

Beasty

ednwireland wrote: »

i've got a 09 cayo 1, love it

Same here - been commuting and racing on mine since I got it a couple of years ago - a higher spec than the one you are looking at, but there's hardly any difference with the Ultegra

Getting on for 15,000km done do far with no major problems

irishmotorist

09 Cayo here too - GOOD!

But just remember that any bike is as good as you keep it. You're currently doing 150km per week commuting? And a w/end ride too....guess about 50-100km? Keep it clean, maintained and chain changed when it should and you'll have a great bike for a long time.

ashleey

I'll second the bit about chains. Decided I ought to check mine and it had stretched at least half a link. The new one is like silk in comparison.

jusmeig

Hi guys, thanks for the replies. Yeah i'm doing about 150k, and I do the Wicklow 100 etc and Ring of Kerry.

I clean by bike monthly I would say, but probably not as well as I should. I live in an apartment and have no room to clean it properly. I do get it serviced twice a year, so I guess I keep it in good nic.

I have read some reviews about the DT Swiss R-1900 whells on the Cayo 2, they get quite good reviews and again don't seem like a cheap compromise by Focus to bring the price down? Its just a little disturbing that you could be dropping an extra 1k in a LBS to get a bike of similar quality?

smalltalk

I have the '09 Cayo 105, great bike for the money.The Cayo 105 ltd is on sale on wiggle http://www.wiggle.co.uk/focus-cayo-105-ltd-2011/

ashleey

My team replica has the dt swiss r1900. They look good and have stood up to some roughish treatment on the roads in Clare fairly well but not perfectly. Like any wheel they will go out of true a bit but your lbs will resolve that. They are certainly not cheap if you buy them on their own. A load of baby wipes to clean the bike in front of the TV and a proper chain cleaning kit and you'll be fine. You shouldn't need to power wash a road bike unless you are mountain biking with it! Buy a chain measuring tool to keep an eye on chain stretch and you'll love your bike.

ashleey

I just looked at the spec on the site and it looks like they have tried to save by using an FSA chainset but that's hardly a problem as many people will say that they are better than Shimano (and many won't). The DT swiss wheels in the picture have silver round spokes but mine had flat bladed black spokes, and the skewers look different on this year's model. It looks ideal for your plans but make sure you know your size. I'm 6'4" and bought an xxl 60cm.

jusmeig

ashleey wrote: »

I just looked at the spec on the site and it looks like they have tried to save by using an FSA chainset but that's hardly a problem as many people will say that they are better than Shimano (and many won't). The DT swiss wheels in the picture have silver round spokes but mine had flat bladed black spokes, and the skewers look different on this year's model. It looks ideal for your plans but make sure you know your size. I'm 6'4" and bought an xxl 60cm.

Hey Ashleey: I had just asked that question on Wiggle regarding the size! My Sirrus is a 61cm so I was going to go for xxl too, i'm 6.3.

Some other questions: I recently got clipless pedals and shoes. At the time my job had moved so I was back in the car for the commute, so I wanted to try clipless pedals and shoes for longer weekend rides. Like all noobs I had a spill or two. I decided however to go back to normal pedals as I started commuting again, and found that the constant clipping in/out in Dublin traffic was an ordeal. I guess I was not confident enough yet with them. That said I have been looking at double sided clipless systems. I'm basically trying to avoid having to look down @ my feet to clip in etc. I have learned the clip out early rule, but again lack the confidence yet to take on traffic.

Anyone using double sided clipless pedals they would recommend for a beginner?

Also....how does one use a chain measuring tool? (sorry i'm a noob)

ashleey

Can't comment in clip less shoes but I can appreciate the problem with cleats in heavy traffic.

The chain measuring tool is just a ruler basically that will tell if your chain has stretched. A stretched chain will wear the drive train. A much more expensive problem than a new chain.

ashleey

By the way the xxl would probably be the right size

jusmeig

Im gonna stick these on my bike:
http://www.wiggle.co.uk/shimano-pd-m540-pedals/

I've done some digging and they are flaunted as the best beginner pedals. Double sided so no looking down etc, and if you get multi-release cleats u can pull your foot out either way...thus preventing falls (in traffic).

I also found that MTB shoes are much easier to walk around in...so the plan is to get used to them and use them for the commute. I was noticing a big difference when using the shoes and cleats, so would like to get comfortable and get back using them.

ashleey

Seems like a good idea and swap over to some spd sl for weekends. Good luck

jusmeig

Thanks for all the advice guys.
I went for the Cayo XXL, awaiting delivery now

dave.obrien

ashleey wrote: »

Seems like a good idea and swap over to some spd sl for weekends. Good luck

Nah, unless you're racing, it's easier if you just leave the spd's on them; a good pair of stiff soled mtb cross country shoes will still give you plenty of security for weekend rides and training rides. Racing's a different issue though, definitely spd sl's, look keo's or other road pedal for extra security and solidity.

EDIT: Also, op, enjoy your new bike!

jusmeig

dave.obrien wrote: »

Nah, unless you're racing, it's easier if you just leave the spd's on them; a good pair of stiff soled mtb cross country shoes will still give you plenty of security for weekend rides and training rides. Racing's a different issue though, definitely spd sl's, look keo's or other road pedal for extra security and solidity.

EDIT: Also, op, enjoy your new bike!

I actually own a pair of Look KEO pedals. I have them set to the lightest setting for the time being. Im going to put them on the new bike. The other pedals are for my commuter! They are not going on however until i'm 100% happy with quickly getting in and out of them!!

dave.obrien

jusmeig wrote: »

I actually own a pair of Look KEO pedals. I have them set to the lightest setting for the time being. Im going to put them on the new bike. The other pedals are for my commuter! They are not going on however until i'm 100% happy with quickly getting in and out of them!!

That's fair enough so. Once you get used to keo's, they're easy to get in and out of, but the margin for error on them is smaller than spd's, which is why they're handy for beginners, and the double sided makes them handier for commuting. Looks like you're getting a nice package, anyway!

ashleey

Enjoy your purchase. Watch out for the cross winds at the moment too!

elvis jones

I just ordered the cayo 105, i have a giant defy from 2010 bit i wanted to step up a level and i hope this is going in the right direction ?

jusmeig

elvis jones wrote: »

I just ordered the cayo 105, i have a giant defy from 2010 bit i wanted to step up a level and i hope this is going in the right direction ?

I am still waiting on delivery!!! Elvis (lol) did u get your bike from Wiggle yet?
Ordered on the 21st May, no sign of it yet. Track and trace tells me its sitting in "Dublin" for over a week.

Anyone had trouble with Wiggle delivering to Ireland in the past?
They also don't seem to have a phone number which is annoying, as you need to wait about 24hours for email support.

Arghh! I want my bike

jusmeig

ashleey wrote: »

Enjoy your purchase. Watch out for the cross winds at the moment too!

I know its crazy wind!!! It's due to die off widweek this week I hear

elvis jones

jusmeig wrote: »

I am still waiting on delivery!!! Elvis (lol) did u get your bike from Wiggle yet?
Ordered on the 21st May, no sign of it yet. Track and trace tells me its sitting in "Dublin" for over a week.

Anyone had trouble with Wiggle delivering to Ireland in the past?
They also don't seem to have a phone number which is annoying, as you need to wait about 24hours for email support.

Arghh! I want my bike

When it gets to Dublin its delivered by Target Express, they have a Dublin depot. Ring them (01)8851851 and give the order number......they are in Dublin 15.

To be honest thats a joke, mine was sent on Wen and i was on it on Fri:)

jusmeig

elvis jones wrote: »

When it gets to Dublin its delivered by Target Express, they have a Dublin depot. Ring them (01)8851851 and give the order number......they are in Dublin 15.

To be honest thats a joke, mine was sent on Wen and i was on it on Fri:)

Thanks for that man, i'll give them a bell. I hope they have a good reason for not delivering!

elvis jones

Any luck ?

jusmeig

elvis jones wrote: »

Any luck ?

Hey man. Yeah I got the bike! It was sitting in a depot in Dublin 15 for 5 working days. As usual the handler has provided no explanation for the delay, and Wiggle have not either. I was waiting 7 working days for delivery, which i'm not happy about.

That said, the bike is freakin great. Big step up from the Sirrus in terms of speed and weight. I had to bolt the handlebar on and my Look Keo pedals, but it was good to go pretty much out of the box. Note the bike does come with horrendous lumps of plastic...that wiggle call pedals. They look like pedals off my BMX when I was 8. Gears are smooth, very impressed. Will probably run it for a few weeks then drop it into LBS for a check over before I do any major distance on it. The manual mentioned putting a light glue on the pedals when screwing them it??? Is this required?

So im back using my Look pedals and shoes. Just spent a fair bit of time in the car park of my apartment block practicing stopping and un-clipping quickly. So far so good. Some advice I will give to noobs:

Un-clip in advance

Once un-clipped don't rest the cleat in the pedal, as it can click back in if the tension is soft on the pedals (as it will be for a noob like me). This happened me and I had a spill, basically I though I had clipped out but on the roll up to the stop I had clipped back in. Lost my balance.

Don't look down at your feet when just starting off in order to clip in properly. Move off and gain some speed and clip in when its a bit safer.

Thanks for all the help and advice.

funkyjebus

Hope you enjoy it, thinking about getting one myself.

Glue? Surely not, maybe they mean grease, which I always put on and makes it easier to take them off agian, especially if you leave them on for some time.

nophd08

jusmeig wrote: »

Hey man. Yeah I got the bike! It was sitting in a depot in Dublin 15 for 5 working days. As usual the handler has provided no explanation for the delay, and Wiggle have not either. I was waiting 7 working days for delivery, which i'm not happy about.

That said, the bike is freakin great. Big step up from the Sirrus in terms of speed and weight. I had to bolt the handlebar on and my Look Keo pedals, but it was good to go pretty much out of the box. Note the bike does come with horrendous lumps of plastic...that wiggle call pedals. They look like pedals off my BMX when I was 8. Gears are smooth, very impressed. Will probably run it for a few weeks then drop it into LBS for a check over before I do any major distance on it. The manual mentioned putting a light glue on the pedals when screwing them it??? Is this required?

So im back using my Look pedals and shoes. Just spent a fair bit of time in the car park of my apartment block practicing stopping and un-clipping quickly. So far so good. Some advice I will give to noobs:

Un-clip in advance

Once un-clipped don't rest the cleat in the pedal, as it can click back in if the tension is soft on the pedals (as it will be for a noob like me). This happened me and I had a spill, basically I though I had clipped out but on the roll up to the stop I had clipped back in. Lost my balance.

Don't look down at your feet when just starting off in order to clip in properly. Move off and gain some speed and clip in when its a bit safer.

Thanks for all the help and advice.

Best of luck with your new bike, I'm thinking of getting one also, just one question, how did the size work out, I'm 6'3" and my current giant is XL, so I'm thinking xxl, I just need to cross check a few measurements.

jusmeig

nophd08 wrote: »

Best of luck with your new bike, I'm thinking of getting one also, just one question, how did the size work out, I'm 6'3" and my current giant is XL, so I'm thinking xxl, I just need to cross check a few measurements.

You are the same height as me so
My inside leg is 36 inches, so if you use the size guide on wiggle you will land on XXL. My Sirrus is a 61, the Focus is a 60. Size is fine, though I did need to higher the handlebars by two rings, but this is more for preference than because of my height. Its more comfortable as im not stretching to reach the bar. U can send it back to wiggle if you get it wrong, u will just have to deal with the dissapointment of waiting longer tho

GaylaBells02

i'm at cayo

jusmeig

GaylaBells02 wrote: »

i'm at cayo

You are!!!!! Good man.

ashleey

The XXL 60cm is what I have and it would fit you. When mine arrived Wiggle had placed 5, 5mm spacers below the stem and one above, which works for me and I am 6'4" if that helps you judge.

jusmeig

ashleey wrote: »

The XXL 60cm is what I have and it would fit you. When mine arrived Wiggle had placed 5, 5mm spacers below the stem and one above, which works for me and I am 6'4" if that helps you judge.

I moved two more spacers below the stem, again this is kind of down to how you feel on the bike.

In relation to the other question. Yes it said a light glue to deal the pedals and prevent them coming loose

ashleey

Don't glue them whatever you do!

Get some proper grease in a tube and rub it around the pedal thread then put the pedals on and use a torque wrench if the have possible to get the correct 'tightness'

jusmeig

ashleey wrote: »

Don't glue them whatever you do!

Get some proper grease in a tube and rub it around the pedal thread then put the pedals on and use a torque wrench if the have possible to get the correct 'tightness'

Advice taken.
Got the Shimano pedals and shoes. I must point out that they are FAR FAR easier to clip in and out of than the Look Keo pedals.

Plastik

Can't say I noticed any discernible difference between Shimano R540 and the Look Keo Easy pedals that I replaced them with in terms of effort to clip in/out.

jusmeig

Plastik wrote: »

Can't say I noticed any discernible difference between Shimano R540 and the Look Keo Easy pedals that I replaced them with in terms of effort to clip in/out.

My bloody knee would beg to differ The main difference I noticed, and the reason I had a fall at all...was that I was following sound advice and clipping out well before I stopped. What happened with the Keo pedals is that the cleat reconnected as I was coming to a stop. I lost my balance and went over.

With the Shimano Pedals and the S56 cleats you can remove your feet by kicking out in both directions. I just find a little more comfort and piece of mind, and I found i'm not looking down at all to adjust the pedal to the correct side etc, as they are dual sided. I am literally...stepping in and out. Very pleased with them for my daily commute, they are heavy tho!

smacl

Using the SH56 cleats with M324 double sided pedals myself and find them great. The double sided thing is a bit of a trade off, and can be slower to clip in, but handy for short commutes in regular shoes. Looking back, the M424 would have been a better option for me as they are double sided, but can still be used with normal shoes.

jusmeig

smacl wrote: »

Using the SH56 cleats with M324 double sided pedals myself and find them great. The double sided thing is a bit of a trade off, and can be slower to clip in, but handy for short commutes in regular shoes. Looking back, the M424 would have been a better option for me as they are double sided, but can still be used with normal shoes.

Another trade off is the weight! The shimano pedals are way heavier than the look pedals, but for commuting i'd take them any day over a single sided pedal.