So, do you now favour Ireland joining the British Commonwealth?

Dionysus

So now that the Queen of England has seemingly conquered the hearts of all the Irish people who (according to the media) are desperate to see her, do you favour Ireland apologising for the wrongs the Irish have committed against the British Empire and seeking membership of the British Commonwealth?

Or, with all this (apparent) upsurge in support for the British royal family, is it time to just pull the shutters down on Ireland's sovereignty and republican form of government and vote to join Britain's United Kingdom? In most genuine republics, monarchists and the archaic, blood-based form of authority which they represent would be treated with contempt. In Ireland in 2011, however, we are told almost everybody wants to see it, welcome it and honour it.

Pro-monarchy or pro-republic: what sort of future for Ireland do you want?

lcrcboy

Yes; and we should also think about joining the UK

give it a poll and personally Im against it

dlofnep

Yes; and we should also think about joining the UK

No.

Crann na Beatha

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Daegerty

No, feck that

Approving of Queen's visit =/= wanting to join the commonwealth.

J. Marston

Liz was nice but lets not lose the head.....

tfitzgerald

Yes I think we should rejoin the commonwealth we could not be any worse off than we are now

darragh16

Will they offer to pay of some of our debt if we join?

My name is URL

Only if we can leave the Eurozone first

Dionysus

Yes; and we should also think about joining the UK

lcrcboy wrote: »

give it a poll and personally Im against it

Veles wrote: »

Where is the poll und mein Deutsch Oberherren choice

Patience is a virtue! :cool:

Eathrin

This time next week I hear we may also become the 51st state of America :eek:

No fúck that.

Computer Sci

No; it's a pointless ego trip for the British & the EU is the future

Some points for you,

(a) It is called the Commonwealth now, not the British Commonwealth.

(b) There are Republics in the Commonwealth, along with two nations who were never a part of the British Empire.

(c) Technically speaking, only England, Scotland and Wales are Britain - the rest around it, including Northern Ireland, are parts of the United Kingdom, but are not geographically British.

(d) Our leaving the Commonwealth back in the 1940's was as much as Fine Gael trying to prove that they believed in Ireland just as much as everybody else, and to have their stake in Irish history as been the party that made Ireland a Republic. It was also in part to eschew perceptions that they were not interested in the concept of Irish independence. Eamon De Valera had not interest in Ireland leaving the Commonwealth, and did not even attend the ceremonies. Indeed, it has been Mr. De Valera's grandson Eamon O' Cuiv who has suggest Ireland return to the Commonwealth - in part as a further relieving in tensions in Northern Ireland.

(e) The Queen of England is the head of state in only the Commonwealth realms, not the Commonwealth overall. Nobody has ever suggest we become a Commonwealth realm, nor that we rejoin the United Kingdom.

Whether or not such a debate will be coming up, I just thought I should inform you with a few facts. To be honest, I wouldn't mind seeing it happening - but I won't lose sleep if it doesn't happen - if only to further the goodwill between the two communities in Northern Ireland, and to move further away from the horrors of the troubles which plagued them for 3 decades.

DarkJager

Cian A wrote: »

This time next week I hear we may also become the 51st state of America :O

No fúck that.

With Samuel L Jackson as Taoiseach? Fuck yeah.

Ruu_Old

No: silly question!

Feck, public poll. :eek: *goes into hiding*

My name is URL

Cian A wrote: »

This time next week I hear we may also become the 51st state of America :eek:

No fúck that.

That has already been suggested!

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/soden-lets-quit-eu-and-join-us-2392427.html

Praetorian Saighdiuir

No thanks....I think Id emigrate if happened. Go somewhere nice like El Salvador or Khazakstan.

lugha

Don't see and +s or -s TBH.

sgb

Great opportunity for Ireland to win a few gold medals at the Commonwealth Games

Downlinz

Came in here expecting to applaud a good troll topic.


Now, not sure if serious. :pac:

Dionysus

Yes; and we should also think about joining the UK

sgb wrote: »

Great opportunity for Ireland to win a few gold medals at the Commonwealth Games

We might as well bring back the Tailteann Games for all a Commonwealth Games medal is worth. It's not like we're dealing with a gold medal from the Olympics.

Pace2008

What an absurd false dichotomy. Yeah, neglecting to vehemently oppsose the Queen's visit means we want to abandon our sovereignty and join the UK.

Your Anglophobia is showing; put it away there.

Dionysus

Yes; and we should also think about joining the UK

Downlinz wrote: »

Came in here expecting to applaud a good troll topic.


Now, not sure if serious. :pac:

I've been feeling somewhat the same about the reports on this visit. :pac:
After almost a week of an apparent Irish lovefest with British royalty, and before some Robin Bury-type ghoul claims (in the Sunday Independent, no doubt) we should join the British Commonwealth because of this, it's time we got a bit of feedback from people outside radio and television discussions.

My name is URL

Other than being able to partake in the Commonwealth Games, how exactly would it be of benefit to Ireland? I don't buy it myself.. it would only serve to fulfil that woolly headed notion that we need to belong to something greater than ourselves.

Sonnenblumen

Dionysus wrote: »

So now that the Queen of England has seemingly conquered the hearts of all the Irish people who (according to the media) are desperate to see her, do you favour Ireland apologising for the wrongs the Irish have committed against the British Empire and seeking membership of the British Commonwealth?

Or, with all this (apparent) upsurge in support for the British royal family, is it time to just pull the shutters down on Ireland's sovereignty and republican form of government and vote to join Britain's United Kingdom? In most genuine republics, monarchists and the archaic, blood-based form of authority which they represent would be treated with contempt. In Ireland in 2011, however, we are told almost everybody wants to see it, welcome it and honour it.

Pro-monarchy or pro-republic: what sort of future for Ireland do you want?

There are plenty of bloodbased Republics and we all know too well about the dysfunctional variety as well. But where are these genuine Republics, hardly populated by genuine republicans which as we've learned this week are hypocrital, ignorant, cynical and hardly a kind word to say about to a welcomed visitor?

Time for your suppository.

Dionysus

Yes; and we should also think about joining the UK

Pace2008 wrote: »

What an absurd false dichotomy. Yeah, neglecting to vehemently oppsose the Queen's visit means we want to abandon our sovereignty and join the UK.

Your Anglophobia is showing; put it away there.

It's not, really. There have been many calls for Ireland to join the British Commonwealth because of this visit. A quick google includes the following:

The Queen in Dublin and the Republic of Ireland in the Commonwealth? (17 May 2011)

Commonwealth Day in Dublin (15 March 2011)

Ireland to re-join the Commonwealth (17 May 2011)

Ireland and the Commonwealth – Towards Membership (16 May 2011)


Not to mention all these people in this rather odd group.

Now, are you implying that they are all guilty of anglophobia?

PS: And seven people so far in this poll would appear to disagree with you.

SharpshooterTom

No; it's a pointless ego trip for the British & the EU is the future

My name is URL wrote: »

Other than being able to partake in the Commonwealth Games, how exactly would it be of benefit to Ireland? I don't buy it myself.. it would only serve to fulfil that woolly headed notion that we need to belong to something greater than ourselves.

Help create build a united ireland??

craftypaddy

No: silly question!

crazy idea....
she will probably pick us up cheap in the lidl super saturday offer, minus 86 billion

Wackawacka

No: silly question!

I think a legitimate question would be whether any one of these countries (UK, US, etc) would even want us.

Consider that:
(a) we are under enormous debt and we can't really run our country
(b) last time they tried we didn't let someone else run our country either.

So who would want such a bucket of ****e?

Angron

No. But I am pro-stopping these sorts of threads.

al28283

Isn't there some kind of middleground where not hating the Queen of England doesn't mean you want to join the commonwealth?

Dionysus

Yes; and we should also think about joining the UK

Sonnenblumen wrote: »

There are plenty of bloodbased Republics and we all know too well about the dysfunctional variety as well.

Really? Where are they? As far I as I'm aware there are none in the democratic western world. This is more than can be said about monarchies where, in each and every one, armies of genealogists are employed to check rights to become monarch. Can you name one republican state in the western world where authority rests on somebody's "right" by blood to be head of state? And, no, Ireland wouldn't be one of them. :rolleyes:

Sonnenblumen wrote: »

But where are these genuine Republics, hardly populated by genuine republicans which as we've learned this week are hypocrital, ignorant, cynical and hardly a kind word to say about to a welcomed visitor?

Actually "we" have not learnt that. You may have taught yourself that, but most people wouldn't expect the people whom you're alluding to to be familiar with republican ideas. I didn't hear them recite Machiavelli, Hobbes, Montesquieu, Rousseau or Kant, never mind Tone, Emmet or MacSwiney. They appeared to be much more au fait with British soccer teams, so if we're going to be ridiculous about labelling them, why not call them British soccer hooligans?

Kev_ps3

craftypaddy wrote: »

crazy idea....
she will probably pick us up cheap in the lidl super saturday offer, minus 86 billion

Crazy idea? Then why did you vote yes?:rolleyes:

Xivilai

No: silly question!

Sure lets join the commonerwealth

Azhrei

Why do people keep asking this stupid question... it's not going to happen.

Crann na Beatha

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Micky Dolenz

Take it to the Politics Forum.