Brooks adrenaline 11

donothoponpop

Anyone running in these? I started a few years back with the 7's, then got the 8 (loved them), but the 9 were very different, no good for me. So I bought four or five pairs of 8's, and when they wore out moved on to Saucony ProGrid. Now I've been having knee problems, and am going to get a pair of the adrenaline 11's tomorrow. I've read some good things about them: anyone here using them?

tunguska

Yeah Im using them and have to say they're the best runner Ive ever used(and Ive used a lot). They feel great, way better than asics.

Ruu_Old

I have a pair of GTS 10s, anyone know if there is much of a difference? thanks in advance.

donothoponpop

Forgive me answering my own question, but I bought and tried out a pair of the 11's today. They fit me like a sock, after three pairs of Saucony Phoenix, it felt right to be lacing into the Brooks again. They are lighter (seem much lighter) than the 8's or 9's that I've used, but the support is excellent. Running on trail I felt good and steady, with plenty of cushioning (couldn't feel the stones underfoot). Coming downhill, the large heel came into its own, there's a sizable amount of impact that is well cushioned.

The guy in the store (he really knew his stuff, he's one of the best shoe salesmen I've encountered) said that the 11's have proved very popular, with very good feedback from runners who have tried them. There is a new type of midsole material ("DNA") that distributes impact forces very efficiently. The one criticism I had of previous Adrenaline incarnations was their weight, they tended to be on the heavy side (common enough for support shoes). These 11's have certainly addressed the weight issue, and so far the support seems to be at least as good as before. I'd be wary that the lighter weight may mean the shoe will disintegrate sooner than usual, but time will tell.

gottarun

The DNA gel is a non-newtonian fluid and reacts to the amount of pressure being put on it. It performs a bit like custard and allows the impact force to dissapate thus accomodating runners of all builds and heel strike patterns.

TFBubendorfer

donothoponpop wrote: »

Anyone running in these? I started a few years back with the 7's, then got the 8 (loved them), but the 9 were very different, no good for me. So I bought four or five pairs of 8's, and when they wore out moved on to Saucony ProGrid. Now I've been having knee problems, and am going to get a pair of the adrenaline 11's tomorrow. I've read some good things about them: anyone here using them?

Slightly off topic I know, but when reading this one thing struck me. I've recently started using a pair of Saucony ProGrid for the first time (got them cheap in the sale) and developed a knee pain 3 weeks ago. Until now I did not connect that to the shoes, and chances are it is still entirely unconnected, but after reading the above paragraph I'm starting to wonder.

Has anyone else experienced knee pains with the Saucony ProGrid shoes?

donothoponpop

TFBubendorfer wrote: »

Slightly off topic I know, but when reading this one thing struck me. I've recently started using a pair of Saucony ProGrid for the first time (got them cheap in the sale) and developed a knee pain 3 weeks ago. Until now I did not connect that to the shoes, and chances are it is still entirely unconnected, but after reading the above paragraph I'm starting to wonder.

Has anyone else experienced knee pains with the Saucony ProGrid shoes?

I'd welcome other views on this too. Here's my background- never had knee pains in all the years I'd been running (always Brooks Adrenaline). Moved to Saucony Progrid Phoenix as I was looking for a lighter shoe. Been running 6 months in them (various pairs) mostly offroad and grass, developed severe knee problems after one long run, which I put down to lateral knee rotation while slipping. Rested, started back, developed knee pain in the other leg. Been waking up with knee pain, hurts when running, dull but its there. I bought the new adrenalines yesterday, took them out on the trails, and my knee almost felt as though they were being massaged back into position on the run.
Woke up this morning, zero knee pain.

sconhome

TFBubendorfer wrote: »

Has anyone else experienced knee pains with the Saucony ProGrid shoes?

Which Progrid shoe is it? The Triumph (neutral) has a grid as does the Omni (support)

Saucony use the progrid in the same was ASICS use gels and Mizuno their wave technology.

@donothoponpop - the Phoenix is a light stability shoe & may just not give you the same level of support as the Adrenaline. The Brooks ST5 should be comparable with the Adrenaline and provide you with the support you require.

TFBubendorfer

amphkingwest wrote: »

Which Progrid shoe is it? The Triumph (neutral) has a grid as does the Omni (support)

It's the Saucony ProGrid Ride 2. I've never used that particular shoe before (or any Saucony for that matter), but I've been using neutral cushioning shoes for donkeys years.

donothoponpop wrote: »

Been waking up with knee pain, hurts when running, dull but its there.

That's exactly what it's like for me, dull but it's there, maybe 2 or 3 out of 10 on the pain scale. But there were one or two occasions when it DID get a lot worse than that (say up to 7 or 8 on the scale).

menoscemo

TFBubendorfer wrote: »

It's the Saucony ProGrid Ride 2. I've never used that particular shoe before (or any Saucony for that matter), but I've been using neutral cushioning shoes for donkeys years.

You often use the Lunarracers right? Well me too, but I'd find a bit of knee pain with the lunarracers after longer runs. I have recently bought a pair of Saucony Pro Grid Kinvaras and they are great for me. I use them on Anything from Track sessions to 20+mile LSR's. They are easily the most comfortable lightweight shoe I have ever had.

TFBubendorfer

menoscemo wrote: »

You often use the Lunarracers right? Well me too, but I'd find a bit of knee pain with the lunarracers after longer runs. I have recently bought a pair of Saucony Pro Grid Kinvaras and they are great for me. I use them on Anything from Track sessions to 20+mile LSR's. They are easily the most comfortable lightweight shoe I have ever had.

I use them for races, but very rarely in training and not recently. The last time I wore them was for the Vienna marathon in April. The knee pain started about three weeks after that race.

I actually have a pair of Kinvaras at home, but still in the box, unopened. I was planning on using them as soon as my Lunar Elites are at the end of their lives (which will be soon enough anyway .... as long as the knee doesn't cripple me).

donothoponpop

amphkingwest wrote: »

The Brooks ST5 should be comparable with the Adrenaline and provide you with the support you require.

The ST5 appears to be a racing shoe!

Ok, the Adrenaline 11's are good and light, but a lot different than the Granddaddy of them all, the Adrenaline 8's. I'm still getting knee pain, and I believe its shoe related.

Why do these companies mess with perfection? The 2008 version of the Brooks Adrenaline (8) won loads of awards, loads of reviews from runners saying it was their best shoe ever, why change it? Anyway, a huge internet trawl has failed to turn up any Adrenaline 8's size uk11, so if anyone knows where they can be sourced, I'll take three pairs off your hands:)

RacoonQueen

You mean THESE?





Nah, only kidding they're out of stock. :pac:

donothoponpop

RacoonQueen wrote: »

You mean THESE?
Nah, only kidding they're out of stock. :pac:

Funny girl, when I do get them I know whose ass I'm testing them on first:p

Found them on Ebay in the USA, but they don't ship international. So I set up an account at a mail forwarding company in California. Went to buy the shoes; they will only accept a US credit card. Grrrr.

BeepBeep67

What size are you?
I've a pair of size 10 GT8's with about 30 miles on them, they didn't suit me.
You can have them as a mod going away present.

gottarun

donothoponpop wrote: »

The ST5 appears to be a racing shoe!

It is a racing shoe.

Structurally is is similar to the Adrenaline and would give a nice transition to a lighter shoe that you were trying with the Saucony.

The Phoenix is a light stability shoe which probably is not giving you the medial support that you need. It is not a long distance shoe as it is suggested as being "the perfect technical running shoe for the beginner runner" (from Saucony tech book).

It is definitely no where near the structured support of the Brooks Adrenaline or the Saucony Omni which may account for the movement in the knees givign you pain.

The Brooks Ravenna is a lighter version of the Adrenaline but again you may become a victim of the reduced structure.

On the other hand the Brooks ST5 is lighter but also features a lower heel to toe profile than the Adrenaline. This will modify your stride, naturally, leading to a more midfoot / forefoot strike than you would be getting from the Adrenaline. This combination of elements (lighter structure & weight PLUS the lower heel to toe differential) tends to allow most over pronators to adjust very easily to the lighter structure of this shoe.

I hope this helps without being too convoluted.

donothoponpop

gottarun wrote: »

I hope this helps without being too convoluted.

Very helpful indeed, thanks gottarun! Lots of food for thought there. I'd like to try moving towards mid/fore foot striker, so may try the GT5 for use on softer surfaces. I'm fairly heavy though, so will source a pair of Saucony Omni for stability when road training.:)

donothoponpop

BeepBeep67 wrote: »

What size are you?
I've a pair of size 10 GT8's with about 30 miles on them, they didn't suit me.
You can have them as a mod going away present.

Size UK 11, but thanks anyway. If the Saucony don't work I'll consider clipping my toe's for your offer;)

BeepBeep67

Side Show Bob - wha!!!

Offer is open to 1st come 1st served so, recession beating free pair of runners (once you can collect or hook up at a race) - just checked only 25.88 miles on them - so they're semi broken in.

Ruu_Old

Fellas, if you need anything shipped from the USA let me know. I am sure we can work something out via Paypal or something. Only thing I would have a slight concern is about customs. The auld 'gift' marking thing doesn't work as well as it used to.