Quick car tax question

mondeo

I'm going up to tax my gf's car in the morning for 3 months. Car bought on April 11th, finally she got the Vlc this morning and wants to tax it 2moro. Because she bought the car on the second week of April she is liable for taxing the car from May onwards am I right? She should not be liable for the month of April as far as I know?


Thanks

rebel without a clue

hi there, because your gf bought the car in april, she must tax it from april. Also as ye are only taxing it now (may), arrears for april will be charged. Or you could just go to garda station and get it stamped to say the car wasnt used for the month of april. that would save you the arrears!

-Corkie-

rebel without a clue wrote: »

hi there, because your gf bought the car in april, she must tax it from april. Also as ye are only taxing it now (may), arrears for april will be charged. Or you could just go to garda station and get it stamped to say the car wasnt used for the month of april. that would save you the arrears!

If she was driving the car in April that wouldnt be a very bright idea..;)

OP`S GF will have to pay Aprils tax also..

rebel without a clue

people get those forms stamped the whole time by the gardai. they never ask questions. i work in motor tax office, as long as we see a valid garda stamp and signature we dont care! im always sending people over to the station to get it stamped, it makes them happy!:D:cool:

Guy:Incognito

rebel without a clue wrote: »

people get those forms stamped the whole time by the gardai. they never ask questions. i work in motor tax office, as long as we see a valid garda stamp and signature we dont care! im always sending people over to the station to get it stamped, it makes them happy!:D:cool:

They ask questions sometimes, but either way all they are doing is witnessing you saying it was off the road, they are not confirmign that it was.

-Chris-

rebel without a clue wrote: »

people get those forms stamped the whole time by the gardai. they never ask questions. i work in motor tax office, as long as we see a valid garda stamp and signature we dont care! im always sending people over to the station to get it stamped, it makes them happy!:D:cool:

The Gardai don't care what's written, they're only witnessing your declaration. It's only if you're proven to be doing something wrong that they'll say "you definitely signed that declaration, I saw you".

Signing a false declaration would presumably be unlawful and therefore it's against the Charter to advise/advocate this course of action.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

If she has the car since the 2nd week in April, and was driving it, then she pays for April. Just pay what you're supposed to pay. Why do so many people want to avoid paying what is due???

rebel without a clue

-Chris- wrote: »

The Gardai don't care what's written, they're only witnessing your declaration. It's only if you're proven to be doing something wrong that they'll say "you definitely signed that declaration, I saw you".

Signing a false declaration would presumably be unlawful and therefore it's against the Charter to advise/advocate this course of action.

well ok, but im only trying to help people save some cash.

Guy:Incognito

rebel without a clue wrote: »

well ok, but im only trying to help people save some cash.

Not legal = not allowed

rebel without a clue

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Not legal = not allowed

relax man.

-Chris-

Not legal = not allowed to be encouraged on the forum

It's all good, let's move on.

end a eknny

Lily Mango Self-reliance wrote: »

If she has the car since the 2nd week in April, and was driving it, then she pays for April. Just pay what you're supposed to pay. Why do so many people want to avoid paying what is due???

i cant imagine why anybody in this country would not want to pay in some cases over 1000euro a year for the privilige of driving on are roads not including tolls and 40 or 50euro tax everytime you fill up

-Chris-

What's your point?

end a eknny

whats yours

mondeo

The car has not been by her at all in April as she didn't get her insurance details sorted until May 5th. I was the one who drove it home the day she bought it and it sat there until she got her insurance sorted. So I guess just a simple declaration at the Garda station is all thats required.

Would the fact that it was driven home on the date of sale mean it had been used the month of April and make her liable for April? It was only driven once..

-Chris-

end a eknny wrote: »

whats yours

When you ask what's my point, are you referring to this post:

-Chris- wrote: »

The Gardai don't care what's written, they're only witnessing your declaration. It's only if you're proven to be doing something wrong that they'll say "you definitely signed that declaration, I saw you".

Signing a false declaration would presumably be unlawful and therefore it's against the Charter to advise/advocate this course of action.

Or this post:

-Chris- wrote: »

Not legal = not allowed to be encouraged on the forum

It's all good, let's move on.

What is it that you don't understand exactly, or are you just trying to be a bit of a pain?

-Chris-

mondeo wrote: »

Would the fact that it was driven home on the date of sale mean it had been used the month of April and make her liable for April? It was only driven once..

Technically yes, but it's highly unlikely to be enforced.

It's completely illegal to make a false declaration to a Garda. If you're willing to take the chance it'll be on your own head/conscience.

mondeo

-Chris- wrote: »

Technically yes, but it's highly unlikely to be enforced.

It's completely illegal to make a false declaration to a Garda. If you're willing to take the chance it'll be on your own head/conscience.

Hardly fair paying a months arrears for a 10 minute drive home. Had to jump it for her the day she got her insurance sorted out. I'll ring the tax office in the morning and ask their views on it. If it's the case April has to be paid for so be it!

CiniO

mondeo wrote: »

The car has not been by her at all in April as she didn't get her insurance details sorted until May 5th. I was the one who drove it home the day she bought it and it sat there until she got her insurance sorted. So I guess just a simple declaration at the Garda station is all thats required.

Would the fact that it was driven home on the date of sale mean it had been used the month of April and make her liable for April? It was only driven once..

Yes it would.
She has to declare, that car was not used on public place in April.
No matter who was using it, and for how long.

The funny thing here is, that she has to declare that car was not used in public place, but legislation only requires her to have a car taxed if it's used on public road.
There's a difference between public road and public place.
Some places might be considered public place, but are not public road.

In other words, people signing above declaration, are forced to declare something, which is not required by Law.

It was little off-topic.
Now coming back to the case.
Who was the seller?
You don't sign the hour of sale on registration cert, so it's only the day.
The question here is who was the owner of the car at the moment of driving?
If it was her, then she is liable for tax for April.
If it was still the previous owner, then it's him.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

end a eknny wrote: »

i cant imagine why anybody in this country would not want to pay in some cases over 1000euro a year for the privilige of driving on are roads

Who the hell is paying €1000+ on road tax every year? :rolleyes:

stevenmu

CiniO wrote: »

There's a difference between public road and public place.
Some places might be considered public place, but are not public road.

Yes, but how many of them can you drive a car on?

CiniO

stevenmu wrote: »

Yes, but how many of them can you drive a car on?

I'd say plenty.
Like supermarket parkings, private housing estates, etc.

If you keep your car parked in housing estate which is a public place, but not public road, according to the law you are not expected to have it taxed.
But if you want to tax it then after say 1 year, you have to fill in declaration, that you haven't used the car in public place, which in that case would force you to make a false declaration.

slimjimmc

CiniO wrote: »

I'd say plenty.
Like supermarket parkings, private housing estates, etc.

If you keep your car parked in housing estate which is a public place, but not public road, according to the law you are not expected to have it taxed.
But if you want to tax it then after say 1 year, you have to fill in declaration, that you haven't used the car in public place, which in that case would force you to make a false declaration.

Yeah, the form uses the term "public place" which, when taken literally as per it's legal definition, does indeed seem to be at odds with the Finance Act & Road Traffic Act which both only refer to "public road" in relation to motor tax (vehicle duty). "public road" meaning under the care of the local authority.