Chuck S04E24: Chuck vs. The Cliffhanger *Spoilers*

Richard Dower

Brilliant end!....:D it was a pretty meh episode until the last 15 mins, but that end was terrific!...setting up a whole new arc for season 5!

Chuck...deinterected! :eek:
Morgan....the new intersect!!
Woah!, that's great!, Chuck and everyone not part of the CIA, freelancing, and setting up the last 4 seasons was all a conspiracy! :eek:

After that ep. - roll on season 5!!!

Blazer

Really enjoyed it...loved the Streethawk nod (the bike ).
One question? Can't Chuck still use the glasses to upload the intersect to him as well. Although according to Decker he was only suppressing the intersect in Chuck...
Chuck+Morgan as two super spies would be awesome in season 5

SilverFox261

Great final episode! They really know how to close a season.

I love how they made them a freelance spy team and made Morgan capable of helping for season 5 And with Chucks intersect only suppressed, there'll be a Chuck and Morgan super team at some point!

Diddy Kong

So many Russians!!

Thought it was a great episode. Loved the Oh Boy at the end as well. Anyone else have the feeling that the A-Team music was about to play when Morgan was on his rant?

Also wasnt the army unit chasing the A-Team led by Colonel Decker? Hints to season 5??


P.S. where is the poll?

Dman001

Great Finale to a Meh Season. You can always guarantee a good Finale with Chuck. I always imagined Chuck ending without the Intersect in his head, so, if Season 5 is the last Season, I'm guessing Chuck won't get the Intersect back. The last 4 years was a Conspiracy? Season 5 got very interesting.

FreudianSlippers

I thought it was a fantastic episode, but it works better as a series finale than a season finale IMO.

Don't get me wrong I wanted a season 5, but Morgan as an intersect is going to get old and fast. I hope Chuck gets it back tbh, because a straight role reversal will not be entertaining.

Loved it, but I don't think anyone at the show thought they'd be going on beyond that episode.

Dman001

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

I thought it was a fantastic episode, but it works better as a series finale than a season finale IMO.

Don't get me wrong I wanted a season 5, but Morgan as an intersect is going to get old and fast. I hope Chuck gets it back tbh, because a straight role reversal will not be entertaining.

Loved it, but I don't think anyone at the show thought they'd be going on beyond that episode.

Yeah it would of worked well both ways, and they definitely had in mind they may not be coming back. But it would be very frustrating as a viewer not to find out what the whole Conspiracy talk was about in the final scenes. But I think it's fair to say that the writers now know for certain that Chuck won't go beyond Season 5 and can tie everything up in the end with no cliffhangers.

Edit: Also I agree regarding Morgan as the Intersect. I imagine it will be very similar as Chuck coming to terms with the Intersect in the first 2 Seasons. I don't think it needs to be redone.

Richard Dower

Diddy Kong wrote: »

So many Russians!!

Thought it was a great episode. Loved the Oh Boy at the end as well. Anyone else have the feeling that the A-Team music was about to play when Morgan was on his rant?

Also wasnt the army unit chasing the A-Team led by Colonel Decker? Hints to season 5??


P.S. where is the poll?

I DON'T DO POLLS!!!!!!!!!!!!

:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

Staplor

I think they've left it open as to whether or not the Intersect glasses will work on Chuck. If the supressing glasses could work twice then why not the other ones too. It;s not like they went all smokey like they fried afterwards.

Basq

Added a poll!

What a cracking episode.. lots of funny moments, plenty of great dramatic moments and the final scene with Morgan was superb.

Knew straight away when he put on the glasses that it'd end with the "I know Kung Fu!" line.

Really looking forward to season 5 now!

Otacon

Favourite moment: Casey: "So.. many.. Russians!"

Very good end to the series. While I knew Sarah would not die, I was expecting someone to.

I hope they either give Jeffster a lot less time or write their scenes better as they have not added anything to an episode in quite a while.

Roll on Season 5.

Basq

Oh - and was that the first time they didn't show the full Chuck intro?

FreudianSlippers

Basq wrote: »

Oh - and was that the first time they didn't show the full Chuck intro?

I think so. I was kind of hoping for a "dark" Chuck intro a la Fringe

don ramo

soooo many russians :Dhaha classic, and i know kung fu line was kinda like chuck using its own pop culture,

if theres one thing chuck does its season finales, :D

decker did seem a big caracter to introduce for one episode, hoping to see more of him, cant wait to see what happens next season, is chucks dad still alive, how far back did this game start, was volkov suppose to happen, can they sort it all out in 13 episode, do they need a back nine,

chuck and sarah now own volkov industries, and the buy more, and a gulf stream jet (hopefully its not as expensive as our one to run, that $800,000,000 wont last long if it does;))

expecting at least 20 minutes of the first or second episode next season of casey at a gun fare buying weapons,

damn summer break, :cool:

Corkfeen

Did anyone notice how the setup for next season is fairly similar to last seasons (Besides Morgan). Chuck discovered Orion's base and it set him up as a freelance spy but in the end they barely went anywhere with it. I'm assuming now that Chuck is a millionaire, he won't return to the CIA although we'll probably see them interacting throughout.

squonk

I guess at this stage anyone interested in Chuck has seen the finale?

I'm starting to struggle to muster enthusiasm at this point. Last year's finale was far better and I thought that the way they finished out the Volkoff arc was a bit silly.

Also, Ellie & Awesome's wedding got more coverage than Chuck & Sarah's wedding. it's likey they finished it in a rush to wrap up everything, then realised they got renewed and reshot the last 5 minutes. I was expecting far more from Big Mike, Jeff and Lester in that episode too.

I'm not mad about what they've done with the Intersect either!

SilverFox261

squonk wrote: »

I guess at this stage anyone interested in Chuck has seen the finale?

I'm starting to struggle to muster enthusiasm at this point. Last year's finale was far better and I thought that the way they finished out the Volkoff arc was a bit silly.

Also, Ellie & Awesome's wedding got more coverage than Chuck & Sarah's wedding. it's likey they finished it in a rush to wrap up everything, then realised they got renewed and reshot the last 5 minutes. I was expecting far more from Big Mike, Jeff and Lester in that episode too.

I'm not mad about what they've done with the Intersect either!

I don't think they rushed the wedding at all. The episode had flash backs to them practicing their wedding vows scattered throughout it. The entire episode was structured around the wedding. I think it was better than season 3's finale. My fear is that they may have used the best possible series finale too early.

I'm giving the Morgan Intersect story arc the benefit of the doubt at the moment. I think there are a few of good things that come out of the story;

1)it should be very funny at the start of the season when Morgan can't use it properly (I'm assuming here it will be like Chuck at the start of Season 3 when he couldn't flash when he needed to). I'm hoping that as the series progresses they will show that the Morgan Intersect doesn't operate as well as Chuck's, and that will be the reason for Chuck inevitably being re-intersected.
2) Morgan is no longer useless as a spy. When you consider that they are now freelance spy's, its only the four of them so it takes out the need to write Morgan into missions as the hopeless spy all the time. A season of Morgan getting in the way would get repetitive in a hurry.
3) When Chuck is re-intersected, there will the two teams, Chuck/Sarah and Morgan/Casey. Casey's re-actions to Morgan showing him up on missions could be hilarious!

Then again, I could be giving them too much credit and it might turn out as bad or worse than the first half of season 3!

Richard Dower

^ lads Chris Fedak has said Chuck won't get the intersect back next season, this is setting up Morgan as spy and Chuck/Sarah living married bliss....i expect some preggo news in the series finale for Sarah.

squonk

Richard Dower wrote: »

^ lads Chris Fedak has said Chuck won't get the intersect back next season, this is setting up Morgan as spy and Chuck/Sarah living married bliss....i expect some preggo news in the series finale for Sarah.

I was hoping Chuck would get the intersect back. Worst case was I was Morgan using the intersect for a while, getting some skills and getting unintersected but having a new found confidence and not being the 'useless sidekick' so much anymore.

I'm not particularly pushed about seeing Chuck becoming a great spy even without the intersect. The fun bit was always how he reacted to the flashbacks. I want this next season to be great and to be a good send off but I'm not too confident.

Anyone know if Beckman is now written out? It'd be a shame if she was.

don ramo

as was said the interesct in chuck was suppressed not removed, chuck mom probably used the same program on him, so chuck wont get the intersect back untill he needs/wants it,

i think itll be hard for the main caracter in the show not to have the intersect, what would be the point of calling it chuck,

SilverFox261

Richard Dower wrote: »

^ lads Chris Fedak has said Chuck won't get the intersect back next season, this is setting up Morgan as spy and Chuck/Sarah living married bliss....i expect some preggo news in the series finale for Sarah.

Do you have a link to that? I'm not doubting what you are saying but i was under the impression that while they were going to run with Morgan as the Intersect, they hadn't ruled out Chuck getting it back. It doesn't make sense that in the final season they would change the structure of the show and have the main character play second fiddle to the guy who has been comic relief for the last 4 seasons.

FreudianSlippers

SilverFox261 wrote: »

Do you have a link to that? I'm not doubting what you are saying but i was under the impression that while they were going to run with Morgan as the Intersect, they hadn't ruled out Chuck getting it back. It doesn't make sense that in the final season they would change the structure of the show and have the main character play second fiddle to the guy who has been comic relief for the last 4 seasons.

He didn't exactly say Chuck wouldn't be getting it back... what he said was:

I actually think it’s Hart to Hart meets The A-Team. [Laughs] It’s certainly a big switch for the show. But it’s also going back to the basics. We really wanted to get back to what it’s like when Chuck — who has a little bit of experience under his belt — doesn’t have the super computer in his head anymore. Now his best friend Morgan has the super computer in his head and he needs him. We think that’s a really fun way to [evolve] the show, because Morgan very much speaks to Chuck in Season 1 — the fish out of water; the guy who hasn’t been on every spy mission and doesn’t know what to do in a gunfight. But now he has to be brought along on the missions. And for Chuck, he’s the guy who’s becoming a hero, becoming a professional, becoming a spy. He’s kind of almost a little bit like Casey and Sarah in Season 1, having to protect this doofus on spy missions.

So, Chuck is a spy now even without the intersect, we saw that actually for half the season 4 finale. Chuck can be a spy without the intersect, but it doesn't necessarily mean he won't get it back.

I think realistically the show isn't the show without Chuck being the intersect. They've made such a big deal about him being special that it's a bit annoying that Morgan was even able to get it so easily.

Johnmb

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

I think realistically the show isn't the show without Chuck being the intersect. They've made such a big deal about him being special that it's a bit annoying that Morgan was even able to get it so easily.

I would expect that at some stage next season there'll be a small story arc whereby they have to find a way to remove, or at least limit, the intersect in Morgan in order to stop his brain from being fried.

don ramo

Johnmb wrote: »

I would expect that at some stage next season there'll be a small story arc whereby they have to find a way to remove, or at least limit, the intersect in Morgan in order to stop his brain from being fried.

sure doesnt chuck have more of them watches that do that,

Solid_Shepard

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

I think realistically the show isn't the show without Chuck being the intersect. They've made such a big deal about him being special that it's a bit annoying that Morgan was even able to get it so easily.

I have lurked on this site for quite awhile and I've signed up just to say how much I agree with this. Although I think the show has deviated quite a lot about what originally made the show so good, I have still found it to be very enjoyable overall. That was until Chuck vs. The Cliffhanger. I still want the show to be very good and I'm still trusting the writers to deliver a good final season so I won't go into a large rant (or atleast I don't intend to) but in my mind, this was the worst episode of the series.

The first reason may seem strange but it's because of how obvious it was that Sarah would live. Now, I'm not saying that because I was trying to predict the ending or I was making assumptions but because the very first thing I can remember in the preview was the church for the wedding. Instantly that ruined any form of suspense I had wondering would she or wouldn't she live. Now, perhaps it is my fault for seeing a picture of the preview (I cannot remember where I saw it but I believe the preview was embedded in a forum thread on another forum I visit and the picture behind the "press play" button was that of the church) but surely that is terrible planning to reveal the conclusion to what should be the most suspenseful thing in the episode in a preview.

Secondly (yet maybe it is the same as point one), Sarah is a main character. The show really couldn't go on without her. This made it stupidly obvious that she would not die. This to me is more of a problem with the series than the actual episode as the show seems to be completely unwilling for any major character to die or leave the show. I'm not expecting a "24" level massacre but I would appreciate if the show actually made it possible for a main character to die as by now I just can't feel as if the main characters (or even side characters) are in any danger. To me, it would have been much better if Mary, Jeff, Lester, Ellie, Awesome or Alex had been targetted. That way atleast it wasn't so obvious that they would survive (personally, I feel Alex being targetted would have been the best choice since she isn't so major that the show could not go on without her [since the show seems to be unwilling to kill off those characters] and she has a big connection with Casey and, to a lesser extent, Morgan allowing them to keep tension with her possible death).

Thirdly, and the biggest reason, as the user above has said, Morgan getting the Intersect is ridiculous and, to me, a fairly big plot hole. It has been established time and time again on the show that Chuck is special because he can handle the information from the Intersect. I know other people have received one (the Gretas and Shaw being the ones I remember, I do not think there were others but maybe I am wrong) but normal people (people who are not spies) couldn't handle the amount of information. I am willing to overlook Orion since he designed it as I am with Volkoff since it wasn't the Intersect that we know (and it didn't really work). As far as I remember though, almost everybody who received the Intersect was unable to handle the information and that is what made Chuck special. In the Fulcrum Intersect everybody who received it was killed (except Chuck), I believe there was another scene where people tried to receive the CIA/NSA's and were killed (but I cannot remember that for certain since I watched each season in about a week and a half and I am not going to rewatch it till the inevitable complete series Blu-Ray is out) and it was heavily implied that test subjects who received the Intersect were either killed or left with serious injuries (brain damage I assume) during the flashback to Chuck's childhood when he used the Intersect accidentally and Steven came in and said "...and you're ok?" after realising Chuck used the Intersect. To me, Morgan getting the Intersect without any injuries or problems (although maybe there will be serious health problems in Season 5) that are instantly apparent makes Chuck's ability to handle the information in the Intersect not so special.

I guess it is possible that the Intersect 2.0 is much more refined than the first version and prototype versions were and, as a result, anyone can handle the information. With Shaw, I thought he was simply another person capable of posessing the Intersect and therefore shrugged it off. With the Gretas I thought it would be explained how they acquired it but with Morgan I am very displeased and feel it is simply lazy writing since we haven't been given any explanation at all as to why almost anyone can get the Intersect now. And if it still requires a natural ability to handle it like Chuck has then I am horribly displeased at how coincidental it is that two people living right next to each other both have this very rare gift. Unless this is explained and clarified, I won't be happy.

Fourth point, Orion possibly being alive. As far as I can remember he was one of the only characters with a lot of importance to the plot being killed in the show. Not only that but his death was one of the most dramatic moments of the whole series (to me atleast). If he is alive, not only will it nullify the impact of his 'death' in that scene but it will also make little sense considering he was killed in front of Chuck. And if that wasn't enough, if he is alive it means that anybody who was killed is not necessarily dead and that means people will second guess everything and any shocking deaths won't have as much of an impact since the character may not be dead (compared to the impact of a death on say "The Wire", "Breaking Bad" or "Game of Thrones").

I am fine with the idea that it was all a conspiracy all a long (on a normal show that would be diabolical to me but because Chuck often parodies spy clichés, this is fine with me) just like I am fine with everybody in Chuck's life being a spy or connected to a spy somehow and if the season ended with Chuck getting the Intersect after hearing that speech I would have been happy (even if I felt the episode was fairly mediocre). If the series had ended here, with the current ending, I also would have been happy. The way it is though, Morgan getting the Intersect combined with the lack of tension in the episode made me quite displeased and I'm not really anticipating the next season as much as I am for "Breaking Bad" or even "Fringe" (which, even though I thought had a very poor season overall [and I found it so bad I even skipped some of the episodes due to how melodramatic everything seemed to be] I really enjoyed the last episode).

And even though I said I hadn't intended to rant, I guess I did lol so sorry about that but, jsut incase some people get the wrong impression, I DO NOT hate Chuck. In fact, I really enjoy it and it was an excellent break from the more gritty/dark shows I usually watch (Game of Thrones, The Wire, Breaking Bad, Dexter, The Sopranos etc.) but I was just left with a really sour taste after that final and I definitely feel it was the weakest season final in the series.