current rugby bugbears

handsomecake

my 2 at the moment,

1: when the attacking team is penalised for a scrum infringement,the ball ends up 30 yards behind the scrum preventing a quick tap,as the scrum half walks backwards with it ,drops it,trips over it thus rolling it back more etc etc

particularly mastered by matt dawson and now prevalent in every game



2: a scary trend and something i think should be nipped right in the bud. full backs leading with the boot when going up for a high ball. ive even heard commentators lauding it as great technique as it buys you a yard or two of protection and tends to scare off would be tacklers.

lee byrne is fond of it as is otago's ben smith.

studs should not be showing imo.

handsomecake

jolley123

Your right in that a player shouldn't put his boot out to scare away others from challenging. Although in that video I think it was more a case of Southwell being an idiot. He just kept running and looking up and down and then acted surprised when Byrne jumped for the ball.

CatFromHue

for point 1 if i remember right it was one of the new rules brought in to speed up the game.

i think this area has improved alot. in comparisson to a few years ago its nearly non existent.

for point 2 you're right studs shouldnt be showing. i do remember girvan dempsy leading with the knee a few times and i didnt have a problem with it at the time. its a hard one to regulate. if i get a pass im straight away ready for contact wheras if im going to catch a ball im focusing on catching the ball only.

one of mine is where a player reacts to a provocation and gets binned. yet what the guy who causes the reaction has nothing happen to him. i know the old saying about getting your reaction in first but we do have the technology to circumvent this. a high profile case was when paul o connel reacted and got a red against the ospreys. the guy pulling poc's jersey deserved some punishment for what he did.

another would be diving (not swan diving!). its creeping into the game more and more. an example would be when a guy goes for a chip and chase, runs in to a fella who cant get out of the way, and jumps on the ground looking for a penalty.

tolosenc

Well, as for point 2, the actual lifting of the leg when jumping for the ball is part of the jump. Try to keep the studs in, but I mean, I've seen a lot of very dangerous hits on guys in the air, and if the risk of a boot in the face is enough to deter the majority...

rockman15

+1 for the diving.

I hate the slow retreat of lazy runners and those loitering on the ground while a foot "is in the ruck". Should be immediate penalty to the team in posession.

poorly executed box kicks aggrivate me. TOL is the ultimate at giving the ball away while doing it. They are a tactially executed for (a) a clearance with distance to touch or (b) to allow a chaser challenge. Saw Genia make a right b@lls up of it last weekend. This hybrid we'll stick it high 40m down the pitch is effectively pointless. Reddan did it a few times against Toulouse.

The Robbie Keane Impressions: behaving like a Cormorant drying its wings is not acceptable for a rugby player. Stop complaining and get on with it. I specifcally remember Alan Quinlan doing it when he came on against England this year. To be fair scrumhalves are the worst for it. Especially SH ones. Jimmy Cowan for example.

conf101

rockman15 wrote: »

The Robbie Keane Impressions: behaving like a Cormorant drying its wings is not acceptable for a rugby player. Stop complaining and get on with it. I specifcally remember Alan Quinlan doing it when he came on against England this year.

Alan Quinlan coming on against England? Mistake, no?

razorblunt

Incorrect feeds to the scrum it's so blatant and so easy to stop.

Clareman

Teams trying the grubber kick over and over again, it very rarely works.
En-gage in the scrum, wtf have 2 syllables for the "hit"?
Scrum doesn't work, free kick to the attacking team, simple as.

Shelflife

two issues for me,

1 leading with the feet or knees when attempting to stop a try being scored.

2 tackling a player around the head /neck in the ruck/maul situation.

both very dangerous imo.

on a non rules pov, kicking the ball when you have an extra man ..... why?? at some stage with some patience the gap WILL come.

players /teams not knowing the qualifying rules in certain competitions, ie bath a few seasons ago constantly kicking their pens when they needed to get their try count up as that would help them to qualify out of the group.

Risteard

Obviously the scrum.

The 4 step call just isn't working. You get good days where most of them stay up but then you get days where it just collapses all the time. Take Saturday for example, most of the scrums had to be reset because of collapses and penalties were awarded seemingly at random, (haven't watched it back on TV)

Another one, as mentioned above is crooked feeds. I swear that the referees at the lower levels pick up on this a lot more and penalise it more, resulting in generally a fairer contest at scrum time, or maybe it's just I always point out crooked feeds when I'm playing hooker.

And thirdly , one annoying thing that comes a lot as a Munster fan. When you know that your scrum is weak, the priority should be to get the ball in and out straight away as we usually can't utilise the scrum as a weapon and instead risk penalties, yet plenty of times the No.8 holds it at his feet for a while resulting in messy ball than if he picked it up immediately.

If I see one more "speculative kick" when we have possession in the opposition's 22 I'll scream.
I reckon it's probably got the lowest return of any option available to an attacker.

Can't stand it!

rockman15

conf101 wrote: »

Alan Quinlan coming on against England? Mistake, no?

FML. Spot on there. Denis Leamy in fact behaving like a cormorant.

totallegend

Deleted User wrote: »

If I see one more "speculative kick" when we have possession in the opposition's 22 I'll scream.
I reckon it's probably got the lowest return of any option available to an attacker.

Can't stand it!

+1 on that, Munster have been particularly guilty of that this season.

Saturday night, ROG sticks a high cross kick out to Keith Earls, who is being marked by Tommy Bowe. He's not, in a million years, going to get the better of Bowe in the air.

Frustrating.

Blured

What annoys me most is a rising trend of people tackling players off the ball when a ruck is being formed. You see it happening more and more.

shoutman

I can't stand players and their swan dives when they go to score a try.

LostPassword

shoutman wrote: »

I can't stand players and ...

Yes, players are pretty annoying alright. Let's get rid of 'em!

Riskymove

totallegend wrote: »

Saturday night, ROG sticks a high cross kick out to Keith Earls, who is being marked by Tommy Bowe. He's not, in a million years, going to get the better of Bowe in the air.

Frustrating.

er...Earls caught the ball

he just got put into touch, the problem was he had to check his run and almost jump back to get it allowing Bowe to bundle him over the line

if the ball had arrived to him on the run, he'd have been in

Riskymove

shoutman wrote: »

I can't stand players and their swan dives when they go to score a try.

I am guessing you wont be sending Chris Ashton a Christmas Card

twinytwo

handsomecake wrote: »

my 2 at the moment,

1: when the attacking team is penalised for a scrum infringement,the ball ends up 30 yards behind the scrum preventing a quick tap,as the scrum half walks backwards with it ,drops it,trips over it thus rolling it back more etc etc

particularly mastered by matt dawson and now prevalent in every game



2: a scary trend and something i think should be nipped right in the bud. full backs leading with the boot when going up for a high ball. ive even heard commentators lauding it as great technique as it buys you a yard or two of protection and tends to scare off would be tacklers.

lee byrne is fond of it as is otago's ben smith.

studs should not be showing imo.

Richie not penalised for hands in the ruck
Richie not penalised for being off side
Richie not penalised for going off feet
Richie not penalised for obstruction

need i go on :rolleyes:

twinytwo

Riskymove wrote: »

er...Earls caught the ball

he just got put into touch, the problem was he had to check his run and almost jump back to get it allowing Bowe to bundle him over the line

if the ball had arrived to him on the run, he'd have been in

Maybe ?.. i cant remember how far out he was... would have been an interesting foot race

handsomecake

twinytwo wrote: »

Richie not penalised for hands in the ruck
Richie not penalised for being off side
Richie not penalised for going off feet
Richie not penalised for obstruction

need i go on :rolleyes:

richie not penalised for lazy running
richie being allowed more time to talk to refs then other captains

twinytwo

handsomecake wrote: »

richie not penalised for lazy running
richie being allowed more time to talk to refs then other captains

richie not being penalised for playing ball on ground

d'Oracle

rockman15 wrote: »

To be fair scrumhalves are the worst for it. Especially SH ones. Jimmy Cowan for example.

Wait, you want scrumhalves to stop whinging at the ref?
While we are at it can I have a money tree?
How about making BOD 24 again while we are at it?

handsomecake

twinytwo wrote: »

richie not being penalised for playing ball on ground

he is a divil

rockman15

d'Oracle wrote: »

Wait, you want scrumhalves to stop whinging at the ref?
While we are at it can I have a money tree?
How about making BOD 24 again while we are at it?

firstly the only person who should be complaining to the ref is the captain.
secondly they should be focusing on getting the damn ball quicker and spend less time throwing their arms about complaining about a leg in the way. sure isnt that what the studs on your boots are for anyway!:D

Jemo

I hate when a back three player fields a ball, has the whole field in front of them and their area is the least populated and yet for some reason they pass to a player 15-20 yards away which takes time out of the counterattack and concedes unnecessary ground. Look at your options and then pass and you will be a lot more effective.