Dunphy's article on Lennon

fryup

Have any of read todays irish star? (pg31)

Eamon Dunphy has an article on NL in which he says Lennon hasn't got the right personality to be a manager he is "too abrasive too confrontantional too hot headed in both his actions and his words"

He adds that even though he feels sympathy for Lennon, he thinks he's adding fuel to the fire with his behaviour.

He says "one of the things that mark a great leader is that they know when to pick their battles, but Lennon isn't like that. He's on a permanent war footing and hardly a week went by without him railing against injustices real or imaginary."

Yet another very honest and up front column from Dunphy and brave considering that he's living in a city full of celtic supporters.

KeithAFC

1000% right. I agree with all that.

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Dunphy is the ultimate troll, and no matter what he writes or says in TV, it probably isn't his actual opinion.

He does this all the time, knowingly winding up a large proportion of his audience, and time an again, people fall for it.

It's great entertainment, especially when Liverpool AND Man Utd are in the CL, and there are people whinging about him every tuesday and wednesday.

He doesn't give a fúck, and more power to him, he's earning the spondulicks while everyone else laps up his trollery.

The man is a genius.

Mitch Connor

Was saying the same in a discussion on this with the girlfriends family yesterday.

No excusing the behavior of bigots towards him, but Lennon's abrasive nature will always provoke these idiots.

nicklauski

fryup wrote: »

Have any of read todays irish star? (pg31)

Eamon Dunphy has an article on NL in which he says Lennon hasn't got the right personality to be a manager he is "too abrasive too confrontantional too hot headed in both his actions and his words"

He adds that even though he feels sympathy for Lennon, he thinks he's adding fuel to the fire with his behaviour.

He says "one of the things that mark a great leader is that they know when to pick their battles, but Lennon isn't like that. He's on a permanent war footing and hardly a week went by without him railing against injustices real or imaginary."

Yet another very honest and up front column from Dunphy and brave considering that he's living in a city full of celtic supporters.

I like Dunphy, but is this not the case of the pot calling the kettle black?

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nicklauski wrote: »

I like Dunphy, but is this not the case of the pot calling the kettle black?

yeah it is, so?

cson

fryup wrote: »

Yet another very honest and up front column from Dunphy and brave considering that he's living in a city full of celtic supporters.

Save the punchline for the end. Excellent, great joke

nicklauski

Des wrote: »

yeah it is, so?

Meaning he doesn't exactly try to keep his mouth from getting him in trouble either

Kess73

Don't think I completely agree with Dunphy's take on it. But then again his take on anything is generally to provoke reaction.


Yes I think Lennon has brought some hassle onto himself with some of his comments about the SFA, other teams etc. But the kind of hassle his comments should have brought is action from the SFA in some cases and slagging from some supporters.

There is a big difference between the level his comments, imho of course, and the frankly lunatic actions that have taken place against Lennon.

His comments after death threats and the like are those of a man trying to respond to things that should never have any place in society let alone a sport.


I am no Celtic fan fan and no big fan of Lennon, but the treatment that he and his family have gotten is simply wrong, and no amount of media talk from Dunphy or anyone else should absolve even the tiniest bit of blame from the lunatics with their death threats and attacks.

OhNoYouDidn't

You can replace the words Neil Lennon with Alex Ferguson, Ian Holloway, Jose Mourhinio, Arsne Wenger and a list of other managers. All abrasive. All at war with someone most of the time. None of them get bombs in the post, live in a safe house and have their children driven to school by armed detectives.

If you think Neil Lennon gets this treatment because he gave out about referees you have dangerously missed the point.

cson

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

You can replace the words Neil Lennon with Alex Ferguson, Ian Holloway, Jose Mourhinio, Arsne Wenger and a list of other managers. All abrasive. All at war with someone most of the time. None of them get bombs in the post, live in a safe house and have their children driven to school by armed detectives.

If you think Neil Lennon gets this treatment because he gave out about referees you have dangerously missed the point.

I'd say that's the first time I've ever agreed with you.

Good post.

fryup

cson wrote: »

Save the punchline for the end. Excellent, great joke

no joke i do think he's brave, he always tells it like it is..remember italia 90 he was the only one with the guts to say Jack's style of football was crap, and was nearly lynched out in Dublin airport because of it.

busyliving

Love Dunphy, used to dislike him but I read his book and now totally understand where he comes from with his opinions.

With regards to what his written, I would totally agree with him, but on the other hand I don't know any manager who have had to deal with as much as Neil Lennon has had this season alone.

Being sent bullets, bombs and having armed people outside the club training ground. It’s very easy for people to say that he isn't helping himself with the way his stood up to these scumbags. But it’s very hard to say such things considering there really isn't a precedent for the kind of treatment that his been on the end of.

I think if Lennon just ignored it, it would be better, but I think everyone has to understand the stuff has been on the end of this season is totally out of hand. During the last old firm this season rangers fans singings "what’s it like to live in fear"...WTF:eek:

KeithAFC

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

You can replace the words Neil Lennon with Alex Ferguson, Ian Holloway, Jose Mourhinio, Arsne Wenger and a list of other managers. All abrasive. All at war with someone most of the time. None of them get bombs in the post, live in a safe house and have their children driven to school by armed detectives.

If you think Neil Lennon gets this treatment because he gave out about referees you have dangerously missed the point.

Those guys don't manage in one of the biggest political cities in the UK which has big problems on a social level.

fryup

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

You can replace the words Neil Lennon with Alex Ferguson, Ian Holloway, Jose Mourhinio, Arsne Wenger and a list of other managers. All abrasive. All at war with someone most of the time. None of them get bombs in the post, live in a safe house and have their children driven to school by armed detectives.

If you think Neil Lennon gets this treatment because he gave out about referees you have dangerously missed the point.

yes but none of those are dealing with the powder keg that is Glasgow and the old firm..there's a certain way you got to conduct yourself, Walter Smith is prime example> calm, level headed and Martin O'Neil for the most part conducted himself in the proper manner as well.

OhNoYouDidn't

KeithAFC wrote: »

Those guys don't manage in one of the biggest political cities in the UK which has big problems on a social level.

Well Jose doesn't work in a politically neutral environment.

But indirectly you are bang on. The issue here is Glasgow and the bigots within. As you say, the city has a long tradition of violent anti-Irish racism and anti-Catholiicism.

Neil Lennon is the focal point for 400 years of racist hate.

Dunphy is well read enough to know full well whats really happening here and has patronised his readers with some nonsense that Neil Lennon wouldn't be getting it tight if he didn't criticise referees. Rubbish.

OhNoYouDidn't

fryup wrote: »

yes but none of those are dealing with the powder keg that is Glasgow and the old firm..there's a certain way you got to conduct yourself, Walter Smith is prime example> calm, level headed and Martin O'Neil for the most part conducted himself in the proper manner as well.

And MON still got the treatement.... Not to the level Lenny gets, but he moved out of Glasgow after his sick wife got abused in the street.

bobbysands81

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

You can replace the words Neil Lennon with Alex Ferguson, Ian Holloway, Jose Mourhinio, Arsne Wenger and a list of other managers. All abrasive. All at war with someone most of the time. None of them get bombs in the post, live in a safe house and have their children driven to school by armed detectives.

If you think Neil Lennon gets this treatment because he gave out about referees you have dangerously missed the point.

KeithAFC wrote: »

Those guys don't manage in one of the biggest political cities in the UK which has big problems on a social level.

I am glad that you're admitting that it's not for footballing reasons that Lennon is hated... and that has been our point all along.

bobbysands81

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

And MON still got the treatement.... Not to the level Lenny gets, but he moved out of Glasgow after his sick wife got abused in the street.

I don't get this "MO'N didn't get the same abuse as Lenny" tripe at all.

He got loads of stick even though he spent less than half the time that Lenny's been here.

Would it be wrong to summise that had MO'N stayed that things would have gotten progressively worse?

KeithAFC

bobbysands81 wrote: »

I am glad that you're admitting that it's not for footballing reasons that Lennon is hated... and that has been our point all along.

Well lets not be daft. Lets tell it like it is. There is people out their who just hate him for his political views or his religion but there is also people who most likely don't give a damn about any of that and will still hate Neil Lennon.

Iv spoken to a few of them (Premier league fans).

McGrath5

any link to the article?

OhNoYouDidn't

KeithAFC wrote: »

Well lets not be daft. Lets tell it like it is. There is people out their who just hate him for his political views or his religion but there is also people who most likely don't give a damn about any of that and will still hate Neil Lennon.

Iv spoken to a few of them (Premier league fans).

And are they sending him bombs in the post?

KeithAFC

Who is? The vast vast vast majority aren't sending him any bombs but you do get the odd nutter/s.

Corholio

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

You can replace the words Neil Lennon with Alex Ferguson, Ian Holloway, Jose Mourhinio, Arsne Wenger and a list of other managers. All abrasive. All at war with someone most of the time. None of them get bombs in the post, live in a safe house and have their children driven to school by armed detectives.

If you think Neil Lennon gets this treatment because he gave out about referees you have dangerously missed the point.

Noone said that actually. So nobodies missed the point.

OhNoYouDidn't

KeithAFC wrote: »

Who is? The vast vast vast majority aren't sending him any bombs but you do get the odd nutter/s.

Thats the entire point.

There are managers all over the world who are HATED. Despised. But their kids don't need armed plod in their school yard

Only in Glasgow does a manager, who happens to be a member of an ethnic group and religion that have a long history of opression in that city, get this sort of treatment. Its clearly a great deal bigger than football.

Broxi_Bear_Eire

busyliving wrote: »

Love Dunphy, used to dislike him but I read his book and now totally understand where he comes from with his opinions.

With regards to what his written, I would totally agree with him, but on the other hand I don't know any manager who have had to deal with as much as Neil Lennon has had this season alone.

Being sent bullets, bombs and having armed people outside the club training ground. It’s very easy for people to say that he isn't helping himself with the way his stood up to these scumbags. But it’s very hard to say such things considering there really isn't a precedent for the kind of treatment that his been on the end of.

I think if Lennon just ignored it, it would be better, but I think everyone has to understand the stuff has been on the end of this season is totally out of hand. During the last old firm this season rangers fans singings "what’s it like to live in fear"...WTF:eek:

You do know Rangers fans did not sing that

flas

hearts fans sang that last week...

Jelle1880

Lennon is more of a fan than a manager I believe.

Edit: Did they really ? Or did someone tell you they did ?

flas

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Lennon is more of a fan than a manager I believe.

Edit: Did they really ? Or did someone tell you they did ?

i heard them. as did many other people. its not really an arguement, it happened.

Leiva

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

You can replace the words Neil Lennon with Alex Ferguson, Ian Holloway, Jose Mourhinio, Arsne Wenger and a list of other managers. All abrasive. All at war with someone most of the time. None of them get bombs in the post, live in a safe house and have their children driven to school by armed detectives.

If you think Neil Lennon gets this treatment because he gave out about referees you have dangerously missed the point.

^^Excellent post^^

As for Dunphy... Im surprised some people are surprised .

He deliberately goes against the grain just to be controversial .

Nothing new in that article , just change the names and its his usual bull .

Broxi_Bear_Eire

flas wrote: »

hearts fans sang that last week...

Hearts fans may have I didn't here them but I know Rangers fans didn't

tallaghtmick

Dont really listen to dunphy anymore,hes a bandwagon reporter only says good things about the form team bad things about teams out of form etc,like he said 2 months into the season "united wont win anything this year because they dont have players the quality of wilshire"

TangyZizzle

Typical Dunphy - Pissing into the wind. That's why we love him! That's why we love him! That's why we love him, that's why we love him!

eagle eye

We've got Dunphy in soccer, Hook in Rugby and Spillane in Gaelic football all doing the same thing and all doing well for themselves out of it.

I do agree with him in this instance though. Lennon is getting awful treatment but his own actions just fan the flames.

flahavaj

eagle eye wrote: »

We've got Dunphy in soccer, Hook in Rugby and Spillane in Gaelic football all doing the same thing and all doing well for themselves out of it.

And the boards.ie soccer forum has you.:pac:

tdv123

He had another little go at Keane this week as well, which I taught was pretty funny.

He must have a go at him at least once a month now.

Kingdom Bhoy

fryup wrote: »

Have any of read todays irish star? (pg31)

Eamon Dunphy has an article on NL in which he says Lennon hasn't got the right personality to be a manager he is "too abrasive too confrontantional too hot headed in both his actions and his words"

He adds that even though he feels sympathy for Lennon, he thinks he's adding fuel to the fire with his behaviour.

He says "one of the things that mark a great leader is that they know when to pick their battles, but Lennon isn't like that. He's on a permanent war footing and hardly a week went by without him railing against injustices real or imaginary."

Yet another very honest and up front column from Dunphy and brave considering that he's living in a city full of celtic supporters.

More pish from Eamo.

d22ontour

Des wrote: »

Dunphy is the ultimate troll, and no matter what he writes or says in TV, it probably isn't his actual opinion.

He is a professional troll and gets well paid for it too.