need info on .17

lockey90

Em lookin to trade in my walther .22 and want a .17 for the longer distance shots on bunny wabbits and charlie. The problem is people are talking about .17 hmr .17 hornet .17magnums and .17 centre fires are some of these the same and if there not whats there differences, and what one would suit me best for longer bunny shootin and charlie. And last but not least whats the difference in price on these bullets and i love brnos do they do .17

Cheers for any info

declan1980

if you're just gonna be shooting rabbits and the odd charlie then the 17hmr would be fine.
if you're gonna be shooting charlie a good bit maybe you should think about a 22 hornet, that would probably be just a straight transfer no new licence fee

tfox

FYI .17 HMR is .17 magnum, Hornady Rimfire Magnum

Cheap ammo, flatter than a .22 mag, good little all rounder :rolleyes:

Go for it

lockey90

So hmr is hornet magnum that solves that and whats difference between centre fire and hmr and only shooting charlie when see the f***er knocking round any makes of rifle you could recommend

pugw

Ive never heard of a .17 hornet, to my knowledge the .17 magnum is the .17hmr which is getting very popular, it is basically a .22magnum bullet necked down to fit a smaller balistic tipped .17 calibre bullet! This is different from the centrefire .17rem! It apparently provides flatter shooting at longer ranges than a .22! Come in a few CZ models http://www.shoot.ie/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=2_25&products_id=155 Ammo is a fair bit more expensive at around €16 + per box of 50!

lockey90

So its either hmr or .17 rem then whats the difference in these sorry for all the questions but just tryin to get as much info that i can

Tackleberrywho

lockey90 wrote: »

So its either hmr or .17 rem then whats the difference in these sorry for all the questions but just tryin to get as much info that i can

from left to right

.17 Mach2 (not that common)
.17HMR common

.17Rem Fireball Not that common

.17 REM Almost extinct

bunny shooter

pugw wrote: »

Ive never heard of a .17 hornet........

Here ya go

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.17_Hornet

OP you think you need a .17 HMR. Not the be all and end all though Your .22lr in the right hands is a very good choice for bunnies although it is a little underpowered for foxes over approx 80 yards

lockey90

Ok so .17 hmr is the one then good flat shot for bunnys and charlie and bullets are 16 euro or that a box thats not too bad when should be able to get more head shot rabbits to sell at 1.50 a go thats covered one last thing what other good makes are there what moderator and scope would be a good combo keeping in mind i want good long rabbit kills and total budget of round 1200

tommyboy26

lockey90 wrote: »

Ok so .17 hmr is the one then good flat shot for bunnys and charlie and bullets are 16 euro or that a box thats not too bad when should be able to get more head shot rabbits to sell at 1.50 a go thats covered one last thing what other good makes are there what moderator and scope would be a good combo keeping in mind i want good long rabbit kills and total budget of round 1200

Made the switch from.22lr to .17hmr for the same reason as you and never regreted it. i went for a secndhand marlin 917vs with a sak moddy and a swift 8-24x50 whole lot cost me less than a grand. heres a picture of mine

rabbit assassin

alot of people under estimate the power of the little 17g bullet, I used to shoot nothing but .22 hornet for foxes but the .223 has taken over from the hornet and the price of hornet bullets has shot through the roof ( no pun intended) as long as you know what way the bullet preforms in wind etc. you will have no problem dropping a fox out to 200 yards as I have done on many occasions . All it takes is becoming familiar with the round. as for rabbits - its so accurate I can get headshots out to about 120 yds , Im sure I could shoot alot further but I havent had a chance to test it out on a rabbit any further.

Mr.Flibble

lockey90 wrote: »

So hmr is hornet magnum that solves that and whats difference between centre fire and hmr and only shooting charlie when see the f***er knocking round any makes of rifle you could recommend

Not quite. "Hornet" and "Hornady" aren't the same thing.

HMR is a rimfire - like a .22LR. Centrefire is like, say, a .308, 9mm or 12 gauge.

Get a CZ.

lockey90

tommy boy thats a nice setup and rabbit assasin sounds just like the shooting i want ive only shot rabbits to 60 yards or that with .22

Tackleberrywho

Mr.Flibble wrote: »

Not quite. "Hornet" and "Hornady" aren't the same thing.

HMR is a rimfire - like a .22LR. Centrefire is like, say, a .308, 9mm or 12 gauge.

Get a CZ.

Interesting you never mentioned Hornet as centerfire

Centerfire means just that, the firing pin hits the centre of the round (percussion cap/primer and that ignites teh propellant and sends bullet down range.

Rimfire has the primer in the outer rim of the casing bottom end, generally low Velocity small calibre. .17mach,.17hmr,.22lr,.22wmr are all rim fire


I believe the OP is looking fro a .17HMR. Fine for bunnies head shot, but not ideal for Charlie as it is relatively soft in comparison to harder hitting Small Calibre centrefires like .204 or .223(my Favourite Foxer)

I have Experience of the now almost Obsolete .17Rem. It was a cracker in it's day.

Now anyone serious about foxing use .223 or .204 and all the other Calibres are going out of fashion as the Centrefire Calibres .2 and upwards are better all rounders

If you want a good Fox Rifle, make sure you Budget the same for scope (or more)

lockey90

okay cz .17 hmr looks like job for me im left eye strong and have been using my right handed walther for 4 years no problem is there a major need for left hand

Tackleberrywho

lockey90 wrote: »

okay cz .17 hmr looks like job for me im left eye strong and have been using my right handed walther for 4 years no problem is there a major need for left hand

No

I'm same as you left Eye Dominant

But there are more options for stocks for Remington and others to shoot a Left hander

I had a special stock made for me by Edi Graef (PSE Composites) and it is Fan-Tas-Tic
Lefty rifles are generally the sh*t plain jane Models in a range

But a right rife and get your stock to suit, so happy days

tfox

Actuallly guys there is a .17 hornet

http://www.google.ie/imgres?imgurl=http://www.jamescalhoon.com/images/bullets2.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.jamescalhoon.com/gophergetter.php&usg=__5z3KIIXec5cTyfplyBqPaIjzGwY=&h=684&w=991&sz=307&hl=en&start=0&zoom=1&tbnid=XdsUNF-tVINDwM:&tbnh=139&tbnw=185&ei=jKrRTcnGEo6xhAfrzICGCg&prev=/search%3Fq%3D17%2Backley%2Bhornet%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG%26biw%3D1024%26bih%3D578%26gbv%3D2%26tbm%3Disch&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=127&vpy=232&dur=4666&hovh=186&hovw=270&tx=151&ty=124&page=1&ndsp=12&ved=1t:429,r:4,s:0

Tackleberrywho

tfox wrote: »

Actuallly guys there is a .17 hornet

http://www.google.ie/imgres?imgurl=http://www.jamescalhoon.com/images/bullets2.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.jamescalhoon.com/gophergetter.php&usg=__5z3KIIXec5cTyfplyBqPaIjzGwY=&h=684&w=991&sz=307&hl=en&start=0&zoom=1&tbnid=XdsUNF-tVINDwM:&tbnh=139&tbnw=185&ei=jKrRTcnGEo6xhAfrzICGCg&prev=/search%3Fq%3D17%2Backley%2Bhornet%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG%26biw%3D1024%26bih%3D578%26gbv%3D2%26tbm%3Disch&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=127&vpy=232&dur=4666&hovh=186&hovw=270&tx=151&ty=124&page=1&ndsp=12&ved=1t:429,r:4,s:0

We know

Bunny can use Google Too

If you want a look at old wildcat ammo or discontinued ammo

http://www.norma.cc/content.asp?Typ=59&Lang=2&Submeny=4&Rubrik=Calibers

Commish

Tommyboy thats a nice peice piece of kit.

tfox

pugw wrote: »

Ive never heard of a .17 hornet

no need to get ur nickers in a bunch tack, was onlt enlightening those who didnt know of the .17 hornet

Tackleberrywho

tfox wrote: »

no need to get ur nickers in a bunch tack, was onlt enlightening those who didnt know of the .17 hornet

Well if you read the previuos page you would have seen bunny had already given a link!!

Now remove that G-String yerself

tfox

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

Well if you read the previuos page you would have seen bunny had already given a link!!

Now remove that G-String yerself

Damn it :cool:

dwighet

OP..
If your thinking of going for a CZ be sure to get an American style stock rather than the Monte Carlo style.....

The diff is that the american is designed for a scoped rifle and the monte carlo is designed for iron sights....:cool:

Longranger

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

Well if you read the previuos page you would have seen bunny had already given a link!!

Now remove that G-String yerself

Now THAT would be a pic for the MNSCI newsletter!:)

lockey90

left handed .17 hmr cz american purchased just waiting for substitution to go through

dwighet

lockey90 wrote: »

left handed .17 hmr cz american purchased just waiting for substitution to go through

nice one...great little rifle:cool:

It wasn't me!

lockey90 wrote: »

left handed .17 hmr cz american purchased just waiting for substitution to go through

Very nice. Want one of these myself, left handed and all.