The Benefit of Sacking a Manager Mid-Season.

bamboozling

Is there a benefit to sacking a manager mid season?

Most people on this board were very critical of the decision to sack Chris Hughton, Sam Allardyce and indeed Roberto Di Matteo while some thought that Roy Hodgson should have been given more time and that appointing Kenny Dalglish would do nothing.

Yet the evidence would suggest that sacking the manager mid season has been detrimental to no team.

Newcastle are n almost exactly the same spot they were when they went down and Alan Pardrew has done a good job, won the dressing room and the fanbase despite stinging initial criticism. He also has had to do without Andy Carroll for most of his tenure. Hughton didn't fit the long term vision of the club. Pardrew has been brought in and done a good job.

Blackburn haven't fared great under Phil Kean but should avoid relegation all the same. An ineffective sacking. But hey Sam Allardyce isn't working in the Premiership so well done Venky's.

Liverpool doesn't have to be explained. From 13th and 4 points off the relegation zone, opposition fans laughing at us and now here we are in 5th, a Europa League playoff tomorrow as we smell the fear emanating from opposition fans. All in 5 months under King Kenny.

And West Brom who were sliding inexorably towards the relegation zone when Di Matteo bit the bullet having lost 13 of their past 17 games and Roy Hodgson comes in and look at them now, sitting pretty in mid table.

I ask would Wigan have been better served giving Martinez the chop in February. Would Bolton be where they are now had Gary Megson not been sacked last season.

Is sacking a manager mid season beneficial or is it merely a pointless exercise?

flahavaj

Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. To say either way - that it works always or doesn't work ever is a bit silly.

its_phil

bamboozling wrote: »

Liverpool doesn't have to be explained. From 13th and 4 points off the relegation zone, opposition fans laughing at us and now here we are in 5th, a Europa League playoff tomorrow as we smell the fear emanating from opposition fans. All in 5 months under King Kenny. ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FopyRHHlt3M

Chucky the tree

Anyone who thinks sacking a manager mid-season is a bad idea is a bit stupid, same as anyone who thinks it's a good idea is aswell. You can't come out with blanket statements because every situation is different.

Di MAtteo was right to be sacked while I think Blackburn made a balls of sacking Allardyce.

CSF

bamboozling wrote: »

Is there a benefit to sacking a manager mid season?

Most people on this board were very critical of the decision to sack Chris Hughton, Sam Allardyce and indeed Roberto Di Matteo while some thought that Roy Hodgson should have been given more time and that appointing Kenny Dalglish would do nothing.

Yet the evidence would suggest that sacking the manager mid season has been detrimental to no team.

Newcastle are n almost exactly the same spot they were when they went down and Alan Pardrew has done a good job, won the dressing room and the fanbase despite stinging initial criticism. He also has had to do without Andy Carroll for most of his tenure. Hughton didn't fit the long term vision of the club. Pardrew has been brought in and done a good job.

Blackburn haven't fared great under Phil Kean but should avoid relegation all the same. An ineffective sacking. But hey Sam Allardyce isn't working in the Premiership so well done Venky's.

Liverpool doesn't have to be explained. From 13th and 4 points off the relegation zone, opposition fans laughing at us and now here we are in 5th, a Europa League playoff tomorrow as we smell the fear emanating from opposition fans. All in 5 months under King Kenny.

And West Brom who were sliding inexorably towards the relegation zone when Di Matteo bit the bullet having lost 13 of their past 17 games and Roy Hodgson comes in and look at them now, sitting pretty in mid table.

I ask would Wigan have been better served giving Martinez the chop in February. Would Bolton be where they are now had Gary Megson not been sacked last season.

Is sacking a manager mid season beneficial or is it merely a pointless exercise?

Roberto Di Matteo/Avram Grant, double-edged sword. As long as a manager is given a proper length of time, the time of the season the decision is made can be different depending on the situation.

bamboozling

flahavaj wrote: »

Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. To say either way - that it works always or doesn't work ever is a bit silly.

Of course that's the nature of it, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. But if its successful more often than not surely its something that needs looking at. That is the case I'm putting forward.

flahavaj

bamboozling wrote: »

Of course that's the nature of it, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. But if its successful more often than not surely its something that needs looking at. That is the case I'm putting forward.

Why, if each case is individual?

eagle eye

bamboozling wrote: »

Blackburn haven't fared great under Phil Kean but should avoid relegation all the same. An ineffective sacking. But hey Sam Allardyce isn't working in the Premiership so well done Venky's.

Rovers had 50 points at the end of last season which was good enough for 10th, they were on course for the same total this season when Sam Allardyce was sacked. It looks right now that 50 points would finish 8th this season.

Steve(not Phil) Kean has the second worst points total of all managers since he took over at Blackburn, only Blackpool have done worse. So its not like its an 'ineffective' sacking at all. There is a £800k jump for per position in the Premier League going by last years prize money. Its possible and likely imo that sacking Allardyce will have cost Blackburn Rovers the payout on Allardyce's contract and £5m+ in prize money. And we are still not safe from relegation by the way.

Paully D

People might not like Allardyce but he'd have kept Blackburn up comfortably and seen them challenge for mid-table obscurity which is an acceptable finish.

What the Blackburn owners should have done if they wanted him out was do it behind his back and replace him at the end of this season when they'd have been assured of their Premier League status. To sack him and replace him with Kean is verging on Premier League suicide.

I like Blackburn as a club so I wouldn't go as far as saying they deserve everything they get, but the owners have got the whole situation wrong and would want to learn quickly how the football game works or they'll be back to plucking chickens fairly swiftly after losing quite a bit of money.

As for the thread as a whole, 'flahavaj' is right. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. For example this season Liverpool and West Brom got it right, whilst Blackburn got it wrong. Last season Bolton got it right, Burnley got their replacement for Coyle wrong, and Hull got it wrong. The season before that Spurs got it right, Blackburn got it right and Newcastle got their replacement for Kinnear wrong, so did Portsmouth when they replaced Adam with Hart. And so on, and on, and on. There's no definite answer.