Maiden heifers (dairy)

sh1tstirrer

What price are maiden heifers ready for breeding making at the moment?

stanflt

sh1tstirrer wrote: »

What price are maiden heifers ready for breeding making at the moment?

making 1400-1800 in carnaross beside you

800-1200 in kilkenny and the south

sh1tstirrer

stanflt wrote: »

making 1400-1800 in carnaross beside you

800-1200 in kilkenny and the south

What would these heifers be worth freshly calved next spring?

stanflt

sh1tstirrer wrote: »

What would these heifers be worth freshly calved next spring?

paddypower.ie would prob give the best answer to this-its a real gamble as superlevy could cause real problems

this year there was no price diff between 1-2-or 3rd calvers or maybe this was just good stock we were selling

sh1tstirrer

stanflt wrote: »

paddypower.ie would prob give the best answer to this-its a real gamble as superlevy could cause real problems

this year there was no price diff between 1-2-or 3rd calvers or maybe this was just good stock we were selling

No profit in buying dairy heifers to sell next spring so

irishh_bob

stanflt wrote: »

making 1400-1800 in carnaross beside you

800-1200 in kilkenny and the south

maiden heifers are not making 1400 - 1800 unless they are throwing one in free :rolleyes:

around 800 euro i reckon , the country is full of dairy stock

whelan1

irishh_bob wrote: »

maiden heifers are not making 1400 - 1800 unless they are throwing one in free :rolleyes:

around 800 euro i reckon , the country is full of dairy stock

what would you pay for freshly claved stock now ? looking on done deal there is a big variation in the asking price. I know what you ask and what you get are 2 entirely different things

irishh_bob

whelan1 wrote: »

what would you pay for freshly claved stock now ? looking on done deal there is a big variation in the asking price. I know what you ask and what you get are 2 entirely different things

done deal is a great site but forget about it when it comes to cattle , the journal is still the place

freshly calved stock in the month of may should be a good bit cheaper than two months ago , thats for sure , mart might be the best place to sell them as if two farmers start bidding , you might end up getting silly money , can go either way in the mart

stanflt

irishh_bob wrote: »

maiden heifers are not making 1400 - 1800 unless they are throwing one in free :rolleyes:

around 800 euro i reckon , the country is full of dairy stock

wanna see receipts

stanflt

irishh_bob wrote: »

maiden heifers are not making 1400 - 1800 unless they are throwing one in free :rolleyes:

around 800 euro i reckon , the country is full of dairy stock

was at a dispersal sale recently that taafe was organising
calves 0-9month 900-2500
9mth-14mth 1200-2900

fresh calvers were making less!

your best stock is maiden heifers imo as these are your future

whelan1

stanflt wrote: »

was at a dispersal sale recently that taafe was organising
calves 0-9month 900-2500
9mth-14mth 1200-2900

fresh calvers were making less!

your best stock is maiden heifers imo as these are your future

did you hear any reports on gilmores sale during the week , taaffe was doing that too

stanflt

whelan1 wrote: »

did you hear any reports on gilmores sale during the week , taaffe was doing that too

no herd nothing- few lads i was talking to werent going cause of the circumstances-unfortunate

irishh_bob

stanflt wrote: »

was at a dispersal sale recently that taafe was organising
calves 0-9month 900-2500
9mth-14mth 1200-2900

fresh calvers were making less!

your best stock is maiden heifers imo as these are your future

taafe specialises in selling elite stock , ,let me guess , the likes of michael mc donnell and tom kelly from louth had stock for sale , theese are not representitive of whats out there , i know someone with twenty maiden A.I bred jersey - fresian maiden heifers for sale and he would take your hand off for 750

wiggy123

why wouldn't he,. jersey cross.. no ones cup ot tea it seems

stanflt

irishh_bob wrote: »

taafe specialises in selling elite stock , ,let me guess , the likes of michael mc donnell and tom kelly from louth had stock for sale , theese are not representitive of whats out there , i know someone with twenty maiden A.I bred jersey - fresian maiden heifers for sale and he would take your hand off for 750

theres a lot more top herds than just the two you mentioned- everyone has caught up on these lads with the progress that has been made over the last few years.

personally i turned down 750euro for baby heifer calves only 3weeks old-there since sold

that sale i mentioned was a dispersal sale with only farmers stock for sale

stanflt

irishh_bob wrote: »

i know someone with twenty maiden A.I bred jersey - fresian maiden heifers for sale and he would take your hand off for 750

an old saying-you pay peanuts you get monkeys:)

whelan1

now now lads calm it down:D

whelan1

having bought stock off the affore mentioned people over the years and off alot more people besides give me a plain old british friesian any day NONE of the high fliers ever live up to what you are being told when you buy them and need alot of looking after

stanflt

whelan1 wrote: »

having bought stock off the affore mentioned people over the years and off alot more people besides give me a plain old british friesian any day NONE of the high fliers ever live up to what you are being told when you buy them and need alot of looking after

fertility, kg milk kg fat kg prot and %- type last and you cant go wrong

irishh_bob

stanflt wrote: »

fertility, kg milk kg fat kg prot and %- type last and you cant go wrong

and how many ideal perfect cows do you think you will be able to buy ? , if you pay 3 k for a cow from the likes of tom kelly , you are buying a reputation , just as good an animal could be bought from a lesser known herd

irishh_bob

wiggy123 wrote: »

why wouldn't he,. jersey cross.. no ones cup ot tea it seems

nonesense , thier is an increased interest in jersey cross this past few years , especially down south

whelan1

irishh_bob wrote: »

and how many ideal perfect cows do you think you will be able to buy ? , if you pay 3 k for a cow from the likes of tom kelly , you are buying a reputation , just as good an animal could be bought from a lesser known herd

for 3k you would buy alot more than one animal:rolleyes: you also have to think of the disease factor in these big herds ... buying in more problems , would much prefer to buy stock from joe soap down the road than these guys tbh

irishh_bob

stanflt wrote: »

theres a lot more top herds than just the two you mentioned- everyone has caught up on these lads with the progress that has been made over the last few years.

personally i turned down 750euro for baby heifer calves only 3weeks old-there since sold

that sale i mentioned was a dispersal sale with only farmers stock for sale

you turned down 750 euro for heifer calves which were three weeks old , they say a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush , id say you only need one fool and i wouldnt be letting him out the yard empty handed

stanflt

irishh_bob wrote: »

and how many ideal perfect cows do you think you will be able to buy ? , if you pay 3 k for a cow from the likes of tom kelly , you are buying a reputation , just as good an animal could be bought from a lesser known herd

we dont buy we sell-

no matter what weve bought over the years they never lasted as long as our own-thats why we rate ours so highly:D

whelan1

stanflt wrote: »

we dont buy we sell-

no matter what weve bought over the years they never lasted as long as our own-thats why we rate ours so highly:D

have you many repeat customers ?

stanflt

whelan1 wrote: »

have you many repeat customers ?

same lads every year- even bull customers come back

whelan1

just wondering we have alot of repeat customers for the angus bulls... one lad came yesterday , he had bought a bull off us 10 years ago:eek: and only got rid of him a few months ago...:)

stanflt

whelan1 wrote: »

just wondering we have alot of repeat customers for the angus bulls... one lad came yesterday , he had bought a bull off us 10 years ago:eek: and only got rid of him a few months ago...:)

you cant put a price on quality-

on another bf heifers are making some money

jeff greene

irishh_bob wrote: »

and how many ideal perfect cows do you think you will be able to buy ? , if you pay 3 k for a cow from the likes of tom kelly , you are buying a reputation , just as good an animal could be bought from a lesser known herd

Of course you could, but these elite animals have deep pedigrees with multiply VG, EX dams from the best families in the world, who are consistently putting bulls in AI, etc

I hate lads running down these herds because they didn't work for them, more often than not it wasn't the animals fault.

jeff greene

whelan1 wrote: »

for 3k you would buy alot more than one animal:rolleyes: you also have to think of the disease factor in these big herds ... buying in more problems , would much prefer to buy stock from joe soap down the road than these guys tbh

Why, like Stan, these herds rarely buy, only sell.

Having been to many of these big herds as you put it, I would be pretty certain their disease status is topnotch anyway

whelan1

jeff greene wrote: »

Of course you could, but these elite animals have deep pedigrees with multiply VG, EX dams from the best families in the world, who are consistently putting bulls in AI, etc

I hate lads running down these herds because they didn't work for them, more often than not it wasn't the animals fault.

as stan flt said before they feed their heifers meal from the day they are born until the day they calve so when joe soap buys them they melt as they are not getting the same level of feeding as they where before. It is easy to say a cow is giving so much milk if they are on so much maize/meal but if the ordinary guy buys them they do not do what it says on the tin

whelan1

jeff greene wrote: »

Why, like Stan, these herds rarely buy, only sell.

Having been to many of these big herds as you put it, I would be pretty certain their disease status is topnotch anyway

living in the same parish as one of these guys i wouldnt believe it

jeff greene

whelan1 wrote: »

as stan flt said before they feed their heifers meal from the day they are born until the day they calve so when joe soap buys them they melt as they are not getting the same level of feeding as they where before. It is easy to say a cow is giving so much milk if they are on so much maize/meal but if the ordinary guy buys them they do not do what it says on the tin

Its not the animals fault, why buy them if they don't suit your system.

whelan1

jeff greene wrote: »

Its not the animals fault, why buy them if they don't suit your system.

when you are buying them the sun shines out of their behind ... when you get them home its a different story... my cows are 1500 gallon cows on very little meal and are well looked after... when you buy in stock you value your own alot more

deerejohn

whelan1 wrote: »

as stan flt said before they feed their heifers meal from the day they are born until the day they calve so when joe soap buys them they melt as they are not getting the same level of feeding as they where before. It is easy to say a cow is giving so much milk if they are on so much maize/meal but if the ordinary guy buys them they do not do what it says on the tin

An article is to appear in the journal shortly outlining how we rear our heifers. Of course they get meals at certain times but NEVER all the time. Our target is simple, keep your heifers growing at a steady rate, every day. by minding how we look after them every day.....

keep going

all i can say is west cork is full of stock.as for buying stock,go to the yard and look around you will quickly get a feel of what system he runs and how it suits you.if its not the same as yours dont buy.by the way all the kerry boys are up buying cows around here,there is heaps going down there.typical,they waited until they were cheap