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cm2000

According to the latest ESRI report, found here

http://www.esri.ie/UserFiles/publications/RS20.pdf

You are 17% less likely to find employment when using Fás than when going about looking yourself. So having an employment agency actually increases unemployment. And it costs a fortune to run. Easiest budget cut ever imo.

Marsden

cm2000 wrote: »

According to the latest ESRI report, found here

http://www.esri.ie/UserFiles/publications/RS20.pdf

You are 17% less likely to find employment when using Fás than when going about looking yourself. So having an employment agency actually increases unemployment. And it costs a fortune to run. Easiest budget cut ever imo.

Dont FAS artificially lower the live register?

Could be wrong but if its true then I couldn't see it happening.

cm2000

Marsden wrote: »

Dont FAS artificially lower the live register?

Could be wrong but if its true then I couldn't see it happening.

I don't know to be fair, but something that costs as much as it does necessarily reduces employment due to the taxation necessary to fund it and it's beyond useless for those who use it, it's counter-productive. People are significantly less likely to find a job using their back-to-work scheme than those who don't.

Marsden

Would personally liked to see the whole of FAS scrapped and a fresh approach taken. It would need to be replaced by another similar agency though.

cm2000

Marsden wrote: »

Would personally liked to see the whole of FAS scrapped and a fresh approach taken. It would need to be replaced by another similar agency though.

No it wouldn't. It is clear that the state is not capable of performing this task, or doing it or anything else at a reasonable cost.

Marsden

cm2000 wrote: »

No it wouldn't. It is clear that the state is not capable of performing this task, or doing it or anything else at a reasonable cost.

The alternative is the government paying costs on private owned agencies with higher rates than FAS.

Not saying thats what has to happen but thats what would happen. When election time rolls round the training for unemployed is always a popular phrase.

The Waltzing Consumer

Not surprised at all. I remember my first trip into FAS early 2009. Had to register with FAS and have an interview. Was quite naive so did not realise its a numbers game with them. They fob you off at nearly every turn to try get you to repeatedly come back to boost up their stats of people assisted. I got fed up with that eventually when looking for a form for back to education. Went up, asked the guy a question about back to education, no queue, he told me I would have to come back the next day, I was pretty sick of hearing that so made a big deal saying no way was I coming back for a simple question. Shock horror, he simply answered the question, and I asked why I would have needed to come back for that? Idiots.

During my first and only in-depth interview with a Fas person when I registered. I got told something very valuable. The clever lady informed of something called the internet and how there was "websites" that you could apply for jobs at. :rolleyes:

I would imagine a similar experience to be going into a bank to open an account and the teller saying "well, first let us go through your two times tables, 2*1 = 2, 2*2=4, 2*3=6 "very good, well done"

F**king idiots in FAS.

cm2000

Marsden wrote: »

The alternative is the government paying costs on private owned agencies with higher rates than FAS.

Not saying thats what has to happen but thats what would happen. When election time rolls round the training for unemployed is always a popular phrase.

Oh it won't happen with this or any other conceivable government, but it should. I'm aware it's unrealistic.

Marsden

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

F**king idiots in FAS.

I remember hearing that when it started FAS used to be a place for slow people to go and learn how to sweep floors and do menial tasks.

I guess they hired them to help future generations instead.

dan_d

My experience was the same.

They were friendly and all, but that was about it.

"Oh right, well, you have your degree...and you're looking for what sort of work..."
"Any work"
"And what's your plan"
"To look for work"
"Right well, you know how to use a computer?"
"Yep"
"Ok well, you know where our site is, and I'm sure you can use the search for jobs section. If you see any courses on it that you might be interested in, let us know. Otherwise can you let us know how you're getting on - if you get a job or anything".

Sin e. That was the sum total of my original "signing on" interview and the second interview I HAD to attend according to the letter I got from the Dept of SW. Useless. Jumping through hoops for the sake of it.

They have not got a clue what to do. Seriously.Now to be fair (to both the SW and FAS) they are operating a system that was set up to cater for unemployment in the 80's/90's. It hasn't changed. The result being that you've a bunch of people who'd be great to help you out if this was 15 years ago, but now they are sitting across the desk from people who are far more technically savvy than they'll ever be and many of whom have worked in jobs that FAS don't even understand themselves. How CAN they help anybody? If ever a paper-pushing exercise existed it's that interview crap.

There's my rant for the evening!!!

alan85

cm2000 wrote: »

According to the latest ESRI report, found here

http://www.esri.ie/UserFiles/publications/RS20.pdf

You are 17% less likely to find employment when using Fás than when going about looking yourself. So having an employment agency actually increases unemployment. And it costs a fortune to run. Easiest budget cut ever imo.

I think you may have your facts wrong. You are 17% less likely to get a job if using NEAP. But

those who underwent FAS courses and additional training were up to 14pc more likely to find work.

Quoted from Indo

I agree Fás is badly run. I've done 2 courses there over the last 1.5 years and yet to receive a cert. I've also applied for ECDL and am waiting months to even be given a start date. I asked for help with C.V. 'cause mine was a little untidy and the guy said he'd contact me the following week to organise a time to do it - I'm still waiting months on. The one job suggestion they sent me in the post was for charity worker on the street (the really annoying people!)

Useless best sums it up!

Lapin

cm2000 wrote: »

So having an employment agency actually increases unemployment.

At least Fás is living up to its name.

InigoMontoya

alan85 wrote: »

The one job suggestion they sent me in the post was for charity worker on the street (the really annoying people!)

Maybe you'd be good at it! :pac:

thebman

I once went to FAS. Got told there was not many jobs in the area for my qualifications and I should think of applying for jobs in Dublin.

Said that is what I was doing and was told that was good.

I got a job on my own and ignored their existence. Two years after I got a job and forgot about their existence, they sent me a letter with a job I could apply for if I was still looking for work....

The job was not even in my area within my qualification and I have since found another employer in this area taking on about 50 people and struggling to find them with whom I'm applying.

bonzos

I completed an ECDL with FAS last year,the course was run through a private contractor and in fairness it was very good. The "supervisor" from FAS would call in once a week and patronize the class which consisted of people aged from 18-50 (many highly qualified) with B*lls**t question like "are ye looking on the websites for work" and "your dream job might be just around the corner"......this guy only job seemed by be driving around talking bollox!!On our final day of the course he came in told us the he had good news....we were going to be allowed to go home early today!!FAS is a holiday camp run by people who do not have a clue about life in the real world,changing the name will make no difference because the same wasters will just be reemployed again and given a lump sum for the inconvenience. A friend is doing a welding course in FAS Sligo at the moment and he finds it sole destroying,the instructor is constantly bitching about the managers telling the class stories of how they are still claiming massive expenses like €800 for attending a funeral in mayo....any wonder Ireland is on its knees

Kippure

Any Fas courses i,ve done have resulted in me gaining full employment. Everyone in the courses ive done have gained full employment. To shut down fas would be a disaster.

There apprenticeship scheme is 1st class. They have trainers who have a wealth of knowlege who pass it down to budding electricians, plumbers, joiners, instrumentation techs E&I techs E techs etc.

But some of there part time courses are not so good. I done autoad at night. Didnt get much out of it.

FÁS's main role over the property bubble years seems to have been to keep pumping out a steady supply of plumbers/carpenters/electricians etc. Now that the bubble has burst they don't know what to do with themselves.