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eireog

I recently posted on another thread my dismay on St. Patrick's Day to be harranged into taking a flyer for a Christian Church Summer Camp in Galway. I was listening to Galway Bay FM yesterday morning to hear that a guy called Jesse Duplantis flew into Galway on his own private jet to preach at the Radisson hotel where he was asking people for money. He was looking for 1,000 dollars from 3000 people on a european wide tour. He came to Galway as a guest of the Abundant Life church, the same people behind the Christian Summer Camp.

Do other people think it is okay for men of God to have such showings of wealth from funds they have taken from the flock?

This is the private Jet perched in Galway Airport. You can see on the tail the letters JD standing for Jesse Duplantis.

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Eman Resu

Thing about being in a flock is you're bound to get fleeced! Besides private jet Vs massive imposing buildings literally designed to put the fear of "God" into people, is their a difference?

biko

This has AH written all over it.
From Galway

cml387

biko wrote: »

This has AH written all over it.
From Galway

Possibly plane spotters forum,nice picture of a Dassault Falcon

who what when

The catholic church have been doing the same thing for hundreds of years!

Dave!

In before "arrogant atheists" and "faith in science"

mikedragon32

Derren Brown did a show on Channel 4 a while back exposing the methods these guys use.

It's not dissimilar to stage hypnotists.

mikemac

Church of Ireland used to take 10% of your income in tithes even if you were a Catholic!

Minstrel27

I think these guys are scum. Preying on the weak. Assholes the lot of them.

mikedragon32 wrote: »

Derren Brown did a show on Channel 4 a while back exposing the methods these guys use.

It's not dissimilar to stage hypnotists.

It was a very good show too.

Cianos

eireog wrote: »

I recently posted on another thread my dismay on St. Patrick's Day to be harranged into taking a flyer for a Christian Church Summer Camp in Galway. I was listening to Galway Bay FM yesterday morning to hear that a guy called Jesse Duplantis flew into Galway on his own private jet to preach at the Radisson hotel where he was asking people for money. He was looking for 1,000 dollars from 3000 people on a european wide tour. He came to Galway as a guest of the Abundant Life church, the same people behind the Christian Summer Camp.

Do other people think it is okay for men of God to have such showings of wealth from funds they have taken from the flock?

This is the private Jet perched in Galway Airport. You can see on the tail the letters JD standing for Jesse Duplantis.

plane-in-galway.JPG

Yes, unfortunately.

FatherLen

what i dont get is why the vatican has so much money and still they beg for more in every mass said. the vatican should sell the assets they "acquired" to fund the church. it is nearly as bad as scientology for the money grabbing.

chin_grin

mikedragon32 wrote: »

Derren Brown did a show on Channel 4 a while back exposing the methods these guys use.

It's not dissimilar to stage hypnotists.

That was a great show. Cringeworthy in parts. Just found this though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXOEAz46vMk

Oooh just found the full thing! Nice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOnc-5Ci6vY

ScumLord

These guys are con artists pure and simple.

And from what I remember Jesus hated people like them especially, but flying in the face of what Jesus said is par for the course with the Christian religion.

chin_grin

FatherLen wrote: »

what i dont get is why the vatican has so much money and still they beg for more in every mass said. the vatican should sell the assets they "acquired" to fund the church. it is nearly as bad as scientology for the money grabbing.

Aye. Where is their "vow of poverty". :pac:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franciscan#Renewed_controversy_on_the_question_of_poverty

orourkeda

who gives a hairy rats ass

prinz

More fool the people handing over the money.

pragmatic1

They're a bunch of cnuts. But the people who listen to them are even bigger ones.

Saila

a preacher with a private jet
I suppose he is a bidness man afterall, selling shite

Duggy747

The African evangelicals are brilliant, they really get into it with the crowds going utterly batshìt crazy.

Plus they have the "Praise JEEEEEEE-ZUS" choir *Jazz hands in the air*

But they are scum, preying on those while looking for generous donations and spreading all sorts of gack to them. The GF doesn't entirely dismiss this sort of craìc :mad:

eireog

Just found a link where Jesse Duplantis mentions that 32 souls were added to the kingdom in Galway. Does that mean that 32 people gave 1,000 dollars/ euros each? So if you went along and did not give money you are not in the kingdom. This is just TRIPE!

http://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2011/05/12/hallelujah-thirty-two-souls-were-added-to-the-kingdom-in-galway-tonight/

KnifeWRENCH

Is it ok? No.
Do I feel sorry for the idiots dumb enough to get fleeced? No.

If these people are able to make money by exploiting such stupidity, then fair play to them.

And I'm not speaking as an "arrogant atheist" or anything (more agnostic than atheist), just as someone with a modicum of common sense.

eireog

KnifeWRENCH wrote: »

If these people are able to make money by exploiting such stupidity, then fair play to them.


Well maybe if we could play the 'Devils Advocate' here for a second! If you had a close friend or family member who maybe had a serious situation in their lives, maybe financial problems, a health problem or a breavement.

In other words if they were quite vulnerable and these guys came along and took advantage of that. Let's say that the victim was not usually taken in by such exploitation but somebody said something to them that at the time made sense to them and made them feel better. If it meant this friend ended up trapped as a result and could not see the wood from the trees no matter how many times you tried to explain it to them?

Would you still think they were stupid?

These guys are very clever in the way they manipulate people.

FatherLen

dont bump threads

ScumLord

KnifeWRENCH wrote: »

Is it ok? No.
Do I feel sorry for the idiots dumb enough to get fleeced? No.

If these people are able to make money by exploiting such stupidity, then fair play to them.

And I'm not speaking as an "arrogant atheist" or anything (more agnostic than atheist), just as someone with a modicum of common sense.

these people are usually in desperate situations and have had a lifetime of grooming through church and state in this country.

I don't blame the people, they can only believe what they're told. It's hard to go against what people you trust and love tell you. Even if you know it's not all true you'll go along with it just to appease the people around you. It's just human nature it's more important to be part of the group than it is to be right.

OutlawPete

Dave! wrote: »

In before "arrogant atheists" and "faith in science"

Isn't that a bit like sticking your dick in a vagina and saying: 'In before the cock'?

Forest Master

ScumLord wrote: »

I don't blame the people, they can only believe what they're told.

Pretty dumb way to live, TBH.

ScumLord

Forest Master wrote: »

Pretty dumb way to live, TBH.

It's not, most people don't have vast areas of interest. I don't understand advanced physics or quantum theory I'm only believing what I'm told. Religion has been everything in their life. It's only a matter of chance weather you grow up in an atmosphere and culture of hardcore religion or more liberal attitudes.

Religion is also something we're hard wired to accept there's a part of your brain dedicated to religious thinking so it's a lot harder to ignore it than we'd like to think it's not just down to logical thought.

odonopenmic

ScumLord wrote: »

there's a part of your brain dedicated to religious thinking .

Where's that then? After 6 years studying psychology that's the first I've ever heard of that. There are areas of the brain that may focus on 'moral thought' or 'right and wrong' but this has nothing to do with religion.

Not trying to be an arse, just genuinely interested in your source.

papajohn12

How do you become one anyway? Might as well change jobs now. Nah, private jets? I rather walk on water.

STACEC

NO

I moved here recently from the States where we know all about Jesse Duplantis and his ways of persuading people to part with their hard earned cash. He is a master at it. I am a Christian and recently asked people on boards what church I might attend. I stumbled upon the church that organized this event with Jesse Duplantis and instantly we were asked to attend and told how we could make a donation.

I am sorry to say that the church in question is headed up by some of my country people and is giving out the complete wrong message. Unfortunately the people running this church are very manipulative of the people in the church. They twist the words in the bible to suit the message they want to send out and it is usually about prosperity and sowing the seed.

I talked to a few people in this church and they seemed like nice people from all walks of life and all professions who have just got suckered in by the leaders of this church. If a church is bringing the likes of Jesse Duplantis to your city you should be worried.

STACEC

NO

I just heard that the pastor of the church in Galway that arranged for Jesse Duplantis to come to Galway has lost a court case.

He was apparently being sued for 000's of euros for unpaid bills and the courts have ruled in favour of the person taking the case against him. This will probably mean the poor people who were hoodwinked by Jesse Duplantis are going to get caught to pay more funds to pay this large bill. :mad:

It is on the high court website but I don't know how to access this or what the address is.

ScumLord

odonopenmic wrote: »

Where's that then? After 6 years studying psychology that's the first I've ever heard of that. There are areas of the brain that may focus on 'moral thought' or 'right and wrong' but this has nothing to do with religion.

Not trying to be an arse, just genuinely interested in your source.

Here are two of the top links from google.

http://health.howstuffworks.com/mental-health/human-nature/behavior/brain-religion.htm

This one is from the show I first saw it on.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/horizon/2003/godonbrain.shtml

Religious nuts have some problem with this part of the brain that leads them to believe their literally talking to god.

smokedeels

jesus wore fine linen