223 Remington 50gr.jhp v 55gr.mc

Remmie 223

Please excuse my ignorance again gentlemen
I have my 223 for a year now, & it was my first rifle.I have been using different rounds lately. I have never done any target shooting, except for on my own land for "zero-ing purposes" We have had good success with the foxes but lately i have been testing myself, as i am laying of the red fella's. I can not get any tight groupings out of 50gr.jhp outside 100yrds . Where with the latter i can. Should there be a big difference or is it still inexperience ?

Hondata92

Its a case of "you get what you pay for"

Im guessing the 50gr jhp are american eagles compared to the 55gr remington umc

Try some hornady rounds and i guarantee you will see even better results or use even use some real federal rounds (not the €14 american eagles some say are federal)

Not starting another .204 vs .223 thread but people knock the .204 because of the price of ammo yet you have to spend the same price as .204 in .223 to get a good consistant accurate round (if not more)

bunny shooter

This is why I got rid of my 223's

Cheap .223 ammo = ****e groups & misses on Charles much over 100 yards :eek:

If you're only shooting to 100 yards no hassle BUT like you've found when you want to step out that's where the difference comes in

And once you go over 100 yards the wind comes more into the equation which is where the .204 really whoops the .223's ass :):)

clivej

bunny shooter wrote: »

This is why I got rid of my 223's

Cheap .223 ammo = ****e groups & misses on Charles much over 100 yards :eek:

If you're only shooting to 100 yards no hassle BUT like you've found when you want to step out that's where the difference comes in

And once you go over 100 yards the wind comes more into the equation which is where the .204 really whoops the .223's ass :):)

Phamtom 204 rises its head yet again

The Loch Ness monster has been seen more times than your 204

bunny shooter

Keep your eyes open Saturday you'd never know you might see it :P

ace86

Remmie 223 wrote: »

Please excuse my ignorance again gentlemen
I have my 223 for a year now, & it was my first rifle.I have been using different rounds lately. I have never done any target shooting, except for on my own land for "zero-ing purposes" We have had good success with the foxes but lately i have been testing myself, as i am laying of the red fella's. I can not get any tight groupings out of 50gr.jhp outside 100yrds . Where with the latter i can. Should there be a big difference or is it still inexperience ?

what make is the rifle and if its a light barrel or heavy barrel different rounds perform different in each. heavy barrels are ment to give more accuracy and the rate of twist i think can be a factor for using different rounds i think .223 are 1 to 8 or 1 to 9 i can be corrected on this though

dev110

ace86 wrote: »

what make is the rifle and if its a light barrel or heavy barrel different rounds perform different in each. heavy barrels are ment to give more accuracy and the rate of twist i think can be a factor for using different rounds i think .223 are 1 to 8 or 1 to 9 i can be corrected on this though

A heavy and light barrel should make no difference until there has been about 4/ shots fired through them.
A light barrel will heat up quicker and after 4/5 rounds and then will affect accuracy.
Thats where the heavy barrel has the advantage as it will be able shoot more rounds before the heated barrel affects the accuracy.

.223 can come in more twist rates than 1:8 or 1:9. They can be 1:14, 1:12, 1:9, 1:8. These are the most common. The twist rate is a guideline for the bullet weight that is best suited to the gun.
1:14 = ~55gr
1:12 = ~60gr
1:9 = ~75gr
1:8 = ~80gr

Remmie 223

ace86 wrote: »

what make is the rifle and if its a light barrel or heavy barrel different rounds perform different in each. heavy barrels are ment to give more accuracy and the rate of twist i think can be a factor for using different rounds i think .223 are 1 to 8 or 1 to 9 i can be corrected on this though

Its a remington .223 700 with a stainless steel light barrel, i do not know what the twist it is. How do i find out ? Would bedding it make a big difference? I have spoke to Fergal White today about getting it bedded, he says the resin he uses does not work very well on synthetic stocks

ace86

Remmie 223 wrote: »

Its a remington .223 700 with a stainless steel light barrel, i do not know what the twist is. How do i find out ? Would bedding it make a big difference? I have spoke to Fergal White today about getting it bedded, he says the resin he uses does not work very well on synthetic stocks

Had a rem model 700 as well just for a few months and found it wasn't for target shooting really as the barrel heated up and accuracy went all over the place. i got 55 gr accu tip bullets with the rifle and i found them very in accurate in the rifle but a mate of mine bought it off me and uses 40 gr hornandy just for fox shooting.

ormondprop

I take it its an sps with a cheap injectection moulded stock, you'd be better off dumping it and buying the hs precision stock belowaverageiq is selling, wont cost much more than bedding the stock and will be a way better stock and will transform your rifle

Remmie 223

ormondprop wrote: »

I take it its an sps with a cheap injectection moulded stock, you'd be better off dumping it and buying the hs precision stock belowaverageiq is selling, wont cost much more than bedding the stock and will be a way better stock and will transform your rifle

http://www.boydsgunstocks.com/ROSS-FT-REMINGTON-700-ADL-p/500-029-ft.htm
Would it be much better than these

bunny shooter

Remmie 223 wrote: »

http://www.boydsgunstocks.com/ROSS-FT-REMINGTON-700-ADL-p/500-029-ft.htm
Would it be much better than these

I've one of those on my Remy .204 lovely stocks and handy money :cool:

Have a look http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=70493119&postcount=783

You choice of ammo is the major problem at the moment but a good stock does make a difference too

ormondprop

Did you bed the stock into it bunny, the hs stock should give better consistent accuracy, but the laminate will be a lot better than your injection moulded stock or an ordinary timber stock and has the advantage of looking class

Remmie 223

bunny shooter wrote: »

I've one of those on my Remy .204 lovely stocks and handy money :cool:

Have a look http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=70493119&postcount=783

You choice of ammo is the major problem at the moment but a good stock does make a difference too

Very Very nice:)

Tackleberrywho

ormondprop wrote: »

I take it its an sps with a cheap injectection moulded stock, you'd be better off dumping it and buying the hs precision stock belowaverageiq is selling, wont cost much more than bedding the stock and will be a way better stock and will transform your rifle

I think he just missed out 243Express has a bid in!!

The HS stock is what I have on my VSSF .223. Great stock

Remmie 223

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

I think he just missed out 243Express has a bid in!!

The HS stock is what I have on my VSSF .223. Great stock

Welcome Tack;)
I think i fancy a thumb hole, but i do prefer synthetic

Tackleberrywho

Remmie 223 wrote: »

Welcome Tack;)
I think i fancy a thumb hole, but i do prefer synthetic

Get a Boyd stock then so and get it bedded, sorted, and a recrown while you are at it, and you'll be spliting hairs with it in no time

Tackleberrywho

Or for under €10

patsat

First thing on your agenda is to get rid of that stock!

I had one but was soon replaced with an AICS and it made the world of difference!

The rifle went from shooting roughly 5" groups with expensive ammo to shooting moa consistantly with the cheapest I can get for my 22-250!

I'm sure it would shoot better with better ammo and a better shooter!

Remmie 223

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

Or for under €10

I have been looking at this, but while it does sound simple i would like to see a video showing this or something similar step by step, not that your instructions are not clear, but i would need to be 110% sure before i would attempt this. Anyone have any links?

Remmie 223

patsat wrote: »

First thing on your agenda is to get rid of that stock!

I had one but was soon replaced with an AICS and it made the world of difference!

The rifle went from shooting roughly 5" groups with expensive ammo to shooting moa consistantly with the cheapest I can get for my 22-250!

I'm sure it would shoot better with better ammo and a better shooter!

While i admit i am inexperienced, Its catch 22, I did have a problem with my new shottie as well shooting clay's with the bottom barrel i was also putting this down to inexperience, but my dealer or someone employed by him had fitted a choke from another gun in it

patsat

Remmie 223 wrote: »

While i admit i am inexperienced, Its catch 22, I did have a problem with my new shottie as well shooting clay's with the bottom barrel i was also putting this down to inexperience, but my dealer or someone employed by him had fitted a choke from another gun in it

When I was on about having someone better shooting the rifle I was on about myself and my own rifle!

I wasnt saying you were inexperienced! Go for a new stock if the funds allow and you wont look back!

Hondata92

Make sure your barrel is free floating and try some premium ammo and see how you get one.

If that hasnt improved your groupings then consider changing the stock

Remmie 223

Hondata92 wrote: »

Make sure your barrel is free floating and try some premium ammo and see how you get one.

If that hasnt improved your groupings then consider changing the stock

The barrel is not free floating. I just tried to slide a piece of paper down between the stock and the barrel. I can only slide it down about half an inch

Minky 123

bunny shooter wrote: »

This is why I got rid of my 223's

Cheap .223 ammo = ****e groups & misses on Charles much over 100 yards :eek:

If you're only shooting to 100 yards no hassle BUT like you've found when you want to step out that's where the difference comes in

And once you go over 100 yards the wind comes more into the equation which is where the .204 really whoops the .223's ass :):)

Thats absurd bunny shooter, cheap as in €15 a box 50 grain .223 ammo through my cz gives me 1.5 inch groups at 100 yards. With a 200 yard target it only has an inch drop. The shooter and the rifle need to be equaly good to get the best out of any rifle.;)

bunny shooter

ormondprop wrote: »

Did you bed the stock into it bunny, the ...

No not yet I'm still in testing mode with new stock and will report my findings shortly

Minky 123 wrote: »

Thats absurd bunny shooter, cheap as in €15 a box 50 grain .223 ammo through my cz gives me 1.5 inch groups at 100 yards. With a 200 yard target it only has an inch drop. The shooter and the rifle need to be equaly good to get the best out of any rifle.;)

Not as absurd as your claims I notice you don't say what size groups you're getting at 200 yards

Tackleberrywho

bunny shooter wrote: »

No not yet I'm still in testing mode with new stock and will report my findings shortly



I notice you don't say what size groups you're getting at 200 yards

Where are your groups???

bunny shooter

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

Where are your groups???

On the target :P

virminhunter

cheap .223 ammo at 300yards, AE 50gr hp:p

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Minky 123

bunny shooter wrote: »

No not yet I'm still in testing mode with new stock and will report my findings shortly



Not as absurd as your claims I notice you don't say what size groups you're getting at 200 yards

Im getting good enough groups to head shoot foxes at 300 yards.;) Id put up some photos of many a fox I shot with them but they would not be suitable:eek: If I use hornadys 55grain v max I get less than 3/8 of an inch group. You dont have 5 mins to take a shot on a fox lad.;)

Remmie 223

Well lads,
I free floated my barrel with epoxy putty using "Tacks" method from the tips section(thanks mate;))
For the first time since i got the rifle a little over a year ago i am 100% happy with my zero. I am getting pretty good groups and it is a little bit windy today
The next calm day i will have another go & post some pics
Thanks for all your help and advice:)

Tackleberrywho

Remmie 223 wrote: »

Well lads,
I free floated my barrel with epoxy putty using "Tacks" method from the tips section(thanks mate;))
For the first time since i got the rifle a little over a year ago i am 100% happy with my zero. I am getting pretty good groups and it is a little bit windy today
The next calm day i will have another go & post some pics
Thanks for all your help and advice:)

Glad to be of service !