How much per pont for a domestic house in this country of ours at the minute

oldhead

hello to all,

i have been asked by a friend of mine to wire a new build for his parents. i am a qualifed sparks but i have no idea how i would price a job. i would be looking for some advice from any lads that wire houses.

the house is a 4000 sq ft dormer with attic space each side.
just to give you an idea, there are 103 double socket, 20 5 amp sockets, 4 sensors for bringing on lights inside, about 30 downlighters, 30 pendants. i would be getting someone to chase it. it i going to be wired for sound throughout, alarm with all downstairs windows covered and bout 15 PIR's. there will be approx 20 uplighters in the footpath outside to light stone and 6 bulkheads and just the usual besides. there could be bout 9 lighting circuits in the kitchen that will all be rang back individually to the board and 5 core then rang out to the switches. they want to be able to change the switching in the future. the front gate is bout 100m from house and this has to be wired for access and links to bring on different outside lighting when gates open. there are 9 heating zones. 10 tv points with 2 runs of cat 6 cable to each point. im in the west. would anyone be able to give me a rough idea of labour on this. the cable will be supplied by them. there is a hell of alot of work to be done, and they want to pay the going rate. would anyone have a stab at the labour only for the complete first and second fix.

many thanks.

liveandnetural

oldhead i am not having a go but

"i am a qualified sparks but i have no idea how i would price a job" then you shouldn't be doing the job you should step aside and let a registered electrical contractor do it

at the moment the industry is being ruined by have a go hero's wither there unemployed sparks nixering sparks double jobbing .

you can be as qualified as you like, but that wont make you a competed electrical contractor have you any insurance can you cert the job and as asking on here how to price a job!!!!!!!have a look a the forum charter

oldhead

liveandnetural wrote: »

oldhead i am not having a go but

"i am a qualified sparks but i have no idea how i would price a job" then you shouldn't be doing the job you should step aside and let a registered electrical contractor do it

at the moment the industry is being ruined by have a go hero's wither there unemployed sparks nixering sparks double jobbing .

you can be as qualified as you like, but that wont make you a competed electrical contractor have you any insurance can you cert the job and as asking on here how to price a job!!!!!!!have a look a the forum charter

live and neutral your not having a go. what would you call it so. you sound like a spolit child there. i spent 4 hard years training to be a sparks and i qualified. no where in this course or any other course did you have to qualify to price a job. i am wiring the last 11 years and i was curious as to what prices are like at the min. a friend of mine asked me to do it and i was curious as to the costs per point nowadays. yes i have insurance for myself. and no im not unemployed and so what if i was. alot of good sparks are out of work and are just a entilted to do the job as any other spark. and then you were on about nexering, you mean to tell me that you never done a job on the side in your life, dont talk crap. if you didnt then your the only tradesman i know that never did a job on the side. and as for asking bout the price what is wrong with that. it was a genernal question. people can ask ho much there house cost to build on the forums and there is never a problem with it. you sound to me as if you dont have a alot of work on and your taking it out on me. if your attitude is like this with everyone then that is why you might not have much work on. i came on here as i was curious as to what the prices are at the minute not to get talked to like that. if you dont want to help, then dont and dont take it out on me.

oldhead

by the way live and neutral i see at the start of this year you asked how much it was to add in extra cat5e points, why dont you eat your own words and leave it to professional people who can price a job, or was it a nixer on the side for you. cope on to yourself like a good lad.

Bruthal

liveandnetural wrote: »

at the moment the industry is being ruined by have a go hero's wither there unemployed sparks nixering sparks double jobbing .

Im not sure i would call them have a go hero`s myself. No one does these jobs because they like doing them. Some unemployed people will do what they have to to survive, whether its right or wrong. The industry is probably being ruined by the over supply of electricians, and contractors during the building boom rather than unemployed ones trying to survive. There simply is far less work now.

beanie10

You have insurance, pay a few extra quid and get yourself registered and no-one can say a word to you. As far as price for house ring you local wholesaler get price on materials, sit down and think hard about how much time it will take you to wire it and how much money you want for that labour. Factor in 12 month parts and labour guarantee and dont forget you taxes.

Stoner

Mod Hat on here,

Just to remind people that talking about prices is fine, but the costs given should have VAT included from a contractor, that is assumed, there is no need to state it or ask for it in that format.

As far as I'm concerned asking for a price per point is fair on this forum, the term is not peculiar to "knixers" we just assume that the costs given include VAT from a registered contractor.

Therefore the thread can continue as the OP was asking for cost direction, that's fair game, the costs given are assumed to follow the forum charter.

I would also agree with beanie10 with respect to pricing the job, I think in this day and age that getting a cost per point will be difficult, most people will want an all in cost, but a schedule for extras is always good advice, people always add points to a build, it can sort out a lot of hassle if the potential additional costs were identified upfront, it might ensure payment too.

Dufftronic

i think what liveandneutral was talking about was professional liability insurance. Ie, if you make a balls of the job and someone gets hurt they can make a claim against you. As you are not a registered contractor i highly doubt you have that sort of cover. I am an electrician too and i certainly don't have that, even though i do nixers in my free time.

To be honest that job sounds like too big of a task for one person, esp someone who obviously hasn't done much work. I'm not slagging you off by saying that, but you sound like you don't have much experience. I doubt you are registered with RECI so you won't be able to certify the job either, meaning you'll have to pay a spark to do that for you.

Forgetting all the above though, the best way to price the job is as Beanie10 said. Work out costs and see how long you reckon it'll take and work out your fee accordingly.

Best of luck with the job but if it was me i'd walk away and say thanks but no thanks.

M cebee

He cant pay another electrician to certify the job

Dufftronic

Of course he can pay an electrician to certify the job, if he can get an electrican willing to do it. Most won't though. All i was saying that in order to get the job certified he would have to get someone else to do so.

M cebee

Its totaly illegal in case the op or anyone else isnt aware

Dufftronic

totally agree with you M cebee i was really just pointing out another flaw in oldhead trying to do the job.

oldhead

Dufftronic wrote: »

totally agree with you M cebee i was really just pointing out another flaw in oldhead trying to do the job.

Dufftronic many thanks for that. i do actually have insurance as i do a good few of the smaller jobs just to cover my ass. insurance is cheap god forbid anything went wrong. i have actually thought about it and the job is to big for one man. there is alot more work they want done now, bigger sound systems and some automation. i have actually found out since that a friend of mine was also pricing the same job and he is registered with reci and has all his own insurances also. we are now going halves on the job as his apprentice is off sick at the minute and he is on his own. i notice alot of the lads here are saying its wrong to get certs off other sparks but as you said it is rampant. if i did go ahead with it on my own i would have paid the money to reci to cerify the job, so i cant see what the big issue is. some people do lose the run of themselves.

Dufftronic

good man. best o luck with it.

oldhead

Dufftronic wrote: »

good man. best o luck with it.

cheers

M cebee

oldhead wrote: »

Dufftronic many thanks for that. i do actually have insurance as i do a good few of the smaller jobs just to cover my ass. insurance is cheap god forbid anything went wrong. i have actually thought about it and the job is to big for one man. there is alot more work they want done now, bigger sound systems and some automation. i have actually found out since that a friend of mine was also pricing the same job and he is registered with reci and has all his own insurances also. we are now going halves on the job as his apprentice is off sick at the minute and he is on his own. i notice alot of the lads here are saying its wrong to get certs off other sparks but as you said it is rampant. if i did go ahead with it on my own i would have paid the money to reci to cerify the job, so i cant see what the big issue is. some people do lose the run of themselves.

other people viewing these threads may assume it's legit

if registered guys like me don't point it out

oldhead

M cebee wrote: »

other people viewing these threads may assume it's legit

if registered guys like me don't point it out

yes that is very true but it is happening all over the country, its just like saying you cant drink and drive, that still happens, you cant use a mobile while driving that happenes alot. i know of lads that €50 will cover a cert. its not allowed but it happens all over the place and it has for the 11 years that i have been a spark and it will always happen im afraid.