A very interesting Dublin question

GAAman

I didnt want to post this in the Dublin thread as it would get lost in there but someone asked me a very interesting question and i thought i would put it up here.

In the 1894 All Ireland Football final Dublin played against Cork. Now if i understand it correctly a goal was worth 5 points back then. The game ended in a draw Dublin 0-6 and Cork 1-1 and the replay ended Dublin 0-5 and Cork 1-2 but Dublin were awarded the title? If you count 5 points again cork scored 7 and if it had been changed to 3 points it would have been a draw again. (Checked on GAA site and scores confirmed)

So how did that work? Did cork not take to the pitch or something?

Something is ringing in the back of my head about this, but im not sure what

Grudaire

I googled it, I thought the first result, the all knowing wikipedia might help:

The 17 a-side final was between Dublin and Cork. The final was first played in Clonturk with Dublin and Cork finishing on a draw with a scoreline of 0-6 to 1-1. During this period of Gaelic football, a goal was worth five points which is why the game was calculated as a draw. The replay was played at Thurles in Munster and the final finished Cork 1-2 to Dublin's 0-5 scoreline, but Dublin were awarded the title even though a goal amounted to five points.

Useless!

http://www.seamusjking.com/Articles%20Full/the_1895_double_centenary.html

Says:

"By 1895 it was clear that something would have to be done in the wake of the recent debacles at major games - the Phoenix Park fiasco when the venue for the two All-Irelands had to be changed at virtually a few minutes notice; the 1894 All-Ireland football final replay at Thurles, which was unfinished and the lack of crowd control at the Dublin-Meath game in the same year at Clonturk Park in Drumcondra."

Seems like it was unfinished, and then "awarded" to Dublin, for being great in general

ontheditch2

I always thought that there was a time, (don't know what years)when a goal outnumbered any amount of points. This still wouldn't answer the question.

rebel girl 15

ontheditch2 wrote: »

I always thought that there was a time, (don't know what years)when a goal outnumbered any amount of points. This still wouldn't answer the question.

That thought crossed my mind as well when I read the OP

Temp Barry

GAAman wrote: »

I didnt want to post this in the Dublin thread as it would get lost in there but someone asked me a very interesting question and i thought i would put it up here.

In the 1894 All Ireland Football final Dublin played against Cork. Now if i understand it correctly a goal was worth 5 points back then. The game ended in a draw Dublin 0-6 and Cork 1-1 and the replay ended Dublin 0-5 and Cork 1-2 but Dublin were awarded the title? If you count 5 points again cork scored 7 and if it had been changed to 3 points it would have been a draw again. (Checked on GAA site and scores confirmed)

So how did that work? Did cork not take to the pitch or something?

Something is ringing in the back of my head about this, but im not sure what

Its correct that in 1894, a goal was worth 5 points. The first game ended in a draw, extra-time was supposed to be played, but Cork refused.

In the 2nd match the game was abandoned with 8 minutes to go (not sure why, but it was the Dubs who walked off the pitch).

A 3rd match was fixed, but there were appeals and other shenanigans going on and Cork formally withdrew from GAA membership so didnt turn up. A 4th date was picked, but the match didnt get played and Dublin were awarded the title.

GAAman

Cheers for the replies folks

Cliste i should have mentioned in the op (thought i did feckin losin it) that the man who askled me that question is an older man and the only rule to our little chats like this is that google is not involved dont want anyone thinking i am a gobsheen who cant google like

Barry that is some great info there do you mind me asking where you got it? It is still hard to wrap the head around, surely Cork should have been given the trophy if Dublin walked off the pitch??

Actually on further reflection maybe the powers that be figured that it was 1 a piece and quashed it (Dork refused the extra time, Dublin walked off) starting from scratch?

So essentially because Cork withdrew and refused a third and fourth attempt to play the match it went to Dublin?

bruschi

Temp Barry wrote: »

Its correct that in 1894, a goal was worth 5 points. The first game ended in a draw, extra-time was supposed to be played, but Cork refused.

In the 2nd match the game was abandoned with 8 minutes to go (not sure why, but it was the Dubs who walked off the pitch).

A 3rd match was fixed, but there were appeals and other shenanigans going on and Cork formally withdrew from GAA membership so didnt turn up. A 4th date was picked, but the match didnt get played and Dublin were awarded the title.

no suprises there, Cork going on strike...