Ex-atheist professor cries reviewing Hell

biko

Interesting speech by Howard Storm who claims to have converted from atheism to Christianity after having died (well almost) and been saved from hell by Jesus himself.

Take it as you will but it's just an interesting account.
Of course there's no way to verify his story etc but there you go.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnXqAHAHhLM

So according to this guy Christianity is the way forward, boo to other religions

Lukker-

cringe, his second name is Storm ffs

Memnoch

Edit - Sigh: Nevermind.

Genghiz Cohen

Peeps killed themselves and their children at the command of a 'prophet'.
A man called Jones.

Conviction != Truth.

MagicMarker

biko wrote: »

after having died (well almost)

So he didn't actually die?

I haven't watched the vid and probably won't unless I get incredibly bored, but it's nothing we haven't heard before.

MagicMarker

Just read the wiki link, I wish I could make money from my dreams. I have awesome dreams.

Knasher

MagicMarker wrote: »

Just read the wiki link, I wish I could make money from my dreams. I have awesome dreams.

Watched the video and there is a bit where jesus tells him to give him what he had (but not said in a muggers voice). Which he explains immediately that he didn't mean material wealth. Really dodged the bullet there, otherwise he might have had to take a vow of poverty like this guy.

Dades

Nothing so pure as a reformed hoor. :pac:

robindch

biko wrote: »

Interesting speech by Howard Storm who claims to have converted from atheism to Christianity after having died (well almost) and been saved from hell by Jesus himself.

Couldn't be much of a heaven if they've got Richard Clayderman on keyboards.

nozzferrahhtoo

biko wrote: »

Interesting speech

Interesting would be something new, unusual, different etc. This speech is just the same things we have heard from near death experience people for many years.

All I glean from speeches such as this is the impression that the idea that there is a god is so ludicrous that many a person needs to be under the duress of intense illness and the accompanying mental and physical duress in order to be persuaded of it. Many people have to be taken from a point of healthy clarity to a point where they are out of their right mind in order to be convinced of it.

This is very telling indeed.

The real miracle however would be if people did NOT have crazy visions during near death experience given the intense activity and duress the brain is under during that period... and that is duress and activity even before we start pumping in the chemicals and electrical jolts which are commonly used to revive patients... which could only increase the activity and duress the brain is under.

Dave!

You said 'duress' like 150 times in that post... Just sayin...

nozzferrahhtoo

I count five. Are you using a Base 10 numbering system in your estimate or is there some other explanation for your wildly inaccurate totaling?

However, despite the counting issue I am unsure as to your point

Dave!

Just thought it was funny

Yes I'm using a base 10 numbering system

nozzferrahhtoo

Ah in that case I strongly recommend an eye test. Failing that maybe some reeducation on the base 10 counting system. There is some difference between 5 and 150 after all. It is no small error

Turtwig

nozzferrahhtoo wrote: »

Ah in that case I strongly recommend an eye test. Failing that maybe some reeducation on the base 10 counting system. There is some difference between 5 and 150 after all. It is no small error

Maybe it is you that needs the eye test? I counted 150 aswell as I'm sure every other poster here will testify to.

Cavehill Red

Do Asians on the verge of death see Krishna or Buddha in the white light, I wonder?

nozzferrahhtoo

Argumentum ad populum Malty_T? I expected better of you :-P

Anyway now that we are done sticking our collective tounges into our cheeks, to answer Cavehill_red.... I think they probably do yes.

What likely happens more often than not is the imagery seen by the people in question is vauge, and not as clear as they claim. They take that imagery and interpret it in the context of the religion they are part of or grew up with. It is a very human thing to do, to take vauge imagery and apply a filter and parse them into clearer images than were actually experienced.

It would be a similar process to people reading... say.... nostradamus and retrospectively interpreting incredibly vauge text so that it fits some very specific events that actually did occur. The ability of people to parse language that clearly has no actual meaning, which much of nostradamus does not, to make it fit in their heads with reality is well known. There is little reason to think the same is not true of dreams or hallucination or other internal imagery.

So I would very much imagine that the answer to your question is "yes" but maybe people who have researched it further can back this up with links or studies. I have read a number of them but have none to hand to back up my musing.

Cavehill Red

The human mind is one of the greatest pattern recognition processors there has ever been, often to a fault, seeing a pattern where there is none.
In that respect, I agree with what you're saying. Still, though, I wonder if this white light malarkey isn't a Western thing. I know that Tibetan buddhists claim their Bardo beliefs parallel near-death experience closely, though I've never looked into the claims myself.
I wonder if it is the case that actually, Asians have an entirely different form of near-death experience that isn't a simple case of Buddha in the white light instead of Jebus.

robindch

Cavehill Red wrote: »

Do Asians on the verge of death see Krishna or Buddha in the white light, I wonder?

Yes, they do.

Psychological research indicates during near death experiences, people see the deities they expect to see.

robindch

robindch wrote: »

Yes, they do.

Psychological research indicates during near death experiences, people see the deities they expect to see.

Well if they expect to see deities they won't be seeing buddha :pac:

robindch

bluewolf wrote: »

Well if they expect to see deities they won't be seeing buddha :pac:

I sit corrected

smcgiff

Didn't watch the link, but the guy was saved by Jesus. Did he get to meet him?

Would love to know if it was the tall, white, blond aryan version or a small, dark, wire haired Jesus.

Mark Hamill

smcgiff wrote: »

Didn't watch the link, but the guy was saved by Jesus. Did he get to meet him?

Would love to know if it was the tall, white, blond aryan version or a small, dark, wire haired Jesus.

Pfft, everyone knows white Jesus was short and black Jesus was tall:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQHm7oItkdA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKIKKXm6Mlk

:pac:

Turtwig

Mark Hamill wrote: »

Pfft, everyone knows white Jesus was short and black Jesus was tall:

People were a lot shorter back in the past?
Is that true?

Cavehill Red

Malty_T wrote: »

People were a lot shorter back in the past?
Is that true?

Right up until the last century. Developments in healthcare and especially childhood nutrition led to many developed countries at least seeing the average height of their populace soar by inches.

Turtwig

Cavehill Red wrote: »

Right up until the last century. Developments in healthcare and especially childhood nutrition led to many developed countries at least seeing the average height of their populace soar by inches.

Awesome.:D

Love this forum.

MagicMarker

Average height for a male as recently as 100 years ago was 5'6.

I heard that on the radio so it must be true.

Cavehill Red

To be entirely accurate, height fluctuates with the general health of the populace, as you might expect.
So people in Roman times were a bit taller than they were during the early Dark Ages, and people in the tenth century were taller than they were during the Black Death.
One skeletal study of male adult bodies concluded that height 'peaked' at an average 5 feet 8 inches during the 9th to 11th centuries in Western Europe, then declined to only 5 feet 5.5 inches by the Eighteenth century, which is generally attributed to increased population without a concomitant increase in nutrition and healthcare (ie more people for the same resources.)
It then began rising again, spectacularly so in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, and is now around 5 feet 10 inches across Western Europe.

Knasher

Malty_T wrote: »

People were a lot shorter back in the past?
Is that true?

You don't even have to go back into the past. If you look at North Korea the average height is much lower than that in South Korea due to a number of very bad famines that they suffered over the years since communism.

This fact deeply annoys and embarrasses the North Korean government, hence the only people who are allowed to serve as border guards are the very tallest so the South Koreans don't notice.

kylith

1) I once cried reviewing an Oscar Wilde book, can I be on telly now?

2) Has anyone ever seen, say, Top Cat or Homer Simpson at the end of the bright tunnel? I'd be much more interested in hearing about that.

Galvasean

kylith wrote: »

2) Has anyone ever seen, say, Top Cat or Homer Simpson at the end of the bright tunnel? I'd be much more interested in hearing about that.

No. THAT would be crazy. :rolleyes: