When a deal is not a deal...

Johnnio13 · 05-05-2011 3:13pm #1

Not sure if this is the right place.
Was going to buy today's city deal and did a bit of research and found as usual we Irish seem to be getting charged mental money compared to our European brothers and sisters.

The Hello Canvas deal prices from their website in Ireland Vs Holland
30*30 - 35 in Ireland, Not offered in NL
40*40 - 49 in IE, 20 in NL
40*60 - 59 in IE, 27 in NL
50*70 - 65 in IE, 32 in NL
60*80 - 98 in IE, 44 in NL - this is the deal
90*120 - 119 in IE, 59 in NL

Have sent a mail to HC to see what they say.

John

dudara · 05-05-2011 3:16pm

Consumer Issues is not where we discuss currency variations. Moved instead to Rip Off Ireland

dudara

PCPhoto · 05-05-2011 3:28pm

a lot of these "deals" advertised recently are nothing more than an advert by a company.

there was also a recent "deal" offering a full car service for €39 or something like that - however it was that price for 1L engines and went up higher as the engine size went up, it also didn't include original parts.

I questioned the deal and mentioned that the deal is not a deal as the same thing can be got cheaper by plenty of other sources.

the deal would have worked out at €139 for me but my local mechanic does the exact same for me for €129 every time, even my local FORD center were doing it cheaper than the "deal"

the whole groupon/deal thing is facing a failing as the people do not research if the deal is genuine, the only thing that matters to them is that the client gets X amount of customers and they make their quota and make their money. .... businesses are not willing/able to go back to the "old" mentality of lower the price and you'll get more customers instead they choose to artificially inflate the price so to give a perceived deal.

snowcrazie · 05-05-2011 3:40pm

dudara wrote: »

Consumer Issues is not where we discuss currency variations.
dudara

currency?

It may be dearer here but going by the general price of canvas prints in ireland the deals is about 1/6 of the price it would cost elsewhere.

I bought it and the canvas is twice the size of two i had previously bought in ireland. The ones in ireland cost me €100, this cost €36 so it is still a "deal".

Also wages, and the cost of living are much lower in holland => they must charge less.

serenacat · 05-05-2011 3:54pm

Ive noticed this sort of thing on citydeal

Eyelash extensions were 130E now only 55E! in X salon when you click on the site they could have a similar deal on it that lashes are 65E to make the saving look alot bigger, you have to do a bit of research and compare prices first

keithclancy · 05-05-2011 3:56pm

snowcrazie wrote: »

currency?

It may be dearer here but going by the general price of canvas prints in ireland the deals is about 1/6 of the price it would cost elsewhere.

I bought it and the canvas is twice the size of two i had previously bought in ireland. The ones in ireland cost me €100, this cost €36 so it is still a "deal".

Also wages, and the cost of living are much lower in holland => they must charge less.

Well for one, they use the Euro in The Netherlands, haven't used the Guilder in a while :P

The Dutch Groupon Deal is run by a company called Print Things based in Haarlem (just outside Amsterdam)

The Irish Groupon deal is with Hello canvas based in London.

Two seperate companies, I don't think Groupon is ripping anyone off, just these companies offered a different deal based on the number of potential purchases.

P.S. I would say the cost of Living in Holland is on par with Ireland .. not less than Ireland.

snowcrazie · 06-05-2011 9:13am

keithclancy wrote: »

Well for one, they use the Euro in The Netherlands, haven't used the Guilder in a while :P.

...Thats why i said Currency? I presume he meant country.

keithclancy wrote: »

The Irish Groupon deal is with Hello canvas based in London. .

I ordered and recieved this deal last month. it came from amsterdam through eindhoven to dublin.

keithclancy wrote: »

P.S. I would say the cost of Living in Holland is on par with Ireland .. not less than Ireland.

Are you basing this on any fact or just disagreeing with me becuase you have nothing else to do. I said it because i knew it was true.

snowcrazie · 06-05-2011 9:18am

Of course you could argue that costs are equal in the center of amsterdam and dublin, but then I doubt their factory is based in such a high rent area.

The same way a factory wouldn't be based on grafton street.

Also i see you're based in the netherlands, do your friends not get that price shock when they come over here? I know mine do.

inforfun · 06-05-2011 9:25am

keithclancy wrote: »

P.S. I would say the cost of Living in Holland is on par with Ireland .. not less than Ireland.

Apart from renting a roof over your head, you are probably right

Johnnio13 · 06-05-2011 1:17pm

Just to clarify that the comparison in prices was done on the Hello Canvas site not GroupOn.

http://ie.hellocanvas.com/home and http://nl.hellocanvas.com/home

Also the last one of these I did was shipped from NL.

maxer68 · 06-05-2011 2:16pm

Is it possible that the delivery from Netherlands to Ireland costs a little more than delivery within netherlands and this is built into the price?

Johnnio13 · 07-05-2011 10:19pm

maxer68 wrote: »

Is it possible that the delivery from Netherlands to Ireland costs a little more than delivery within netherlands and this is built into the price?

It would if they all came from NL. But colleague got one from DHL UK. So it's not consistent.

keithclancy · 09-05-2011 10:51am

snowcrazie wrote: »

...Thats why i said Currency? I presume he meant country.

I ordered and recieved this deal last month. it came from amsterdam through eindhoven to dublin.

Sorry mate, I just looked on what was on Groupon, the Hellocanvas deal was on there also.

Are you basing this on any fact or just disagreeing with me becuase you have nothing else to do. I said it because i knew it was true.

I live in the Netherlands, used to live in Ireland.

E.G.
2.0 Litre Diesel Car

Motor Tax Ireland
528/year

Motor Tax Netherlands (Noord-Brabant) in the Randstad its slightly more.
1246 / year.

Insurance Ireland
580 / year

Insurance Netherlands
480/year (with extra 2 years NCB)

Petrol was at 1.76/litre on Friday
Diesel is around 1.38/litre.

Cars are also subject to a special import tax (BPM) just like VRT in Ireland. They go for stupid money and you can get a car in Ireland / UK for a fifth of what you'd pay here in some cases.

Council taxes Ireland
None

Council Taxes Netherlands (Circa w.o.z value of 175,000 euros / household)
528 / year

Health Insurance
Zero, Paid by Employer.

Health Insurance Netherlands
1126/year

Water Rates Ireland
None

Water Rates Netherlands
57/ quarter for Infrastructure cost
186 / year Water Security cost (so the country doesn't flood)
Then a meter/m3 cost which works out at about 35 euros / month.

Renting unfurnished is a little bit cheaper than Ireland, renting Furnished will cost you a fortune, some 1 and a hallf bedroom places can command upto 1200 euros / month, never mind the one months rent as a commision and in some cases 2 months deposit.

Un-furnished of course you'll have to stick up a load of money up front for furniture, painting, floor etc.

So no, I'm not just disagreeing with you for the sake of it, I have first hand experience of it.

Only thing I can think of cheaper here is Booze and Cigarettes, thats usually where the 'Price shock happens with tourists' and gives the false 'wow its so much cheaper here'

Whenever I want to buy clothes I wait until I head back to Dublin/Cork as the deals are much better for stuff.

Only places you can get better deals is outlet centers in the middle of nowhere, very little competition in Dutch stores.

When a deal is not a deal...

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