Satellite installation course via broadband careers

bazrushe

HI all

I am thinking of doing a satellite installation course which is being run in
carlow for one week,I am from donegal and read on the site that they can
provide this course at any location in ireland if the number of people
willing to do the course.I have attached a link if anyone is interested
in the surounding counties sligo,leitrim,donegal,and so on.Would be
better to attend the course closer to home rather than goin the whole
way to carlow for a week.

Thanks.

http://www.broadbandcareers.ie/satellite.html

John mac

so how much are they charging you ?

i know The isaa ran a course lately maybe contact gerry here, they may have another one

bazrushe

Hi john mac appreciate your info,They charging 1300 euro for the course.I will definetly get in contact with the issa.Thanks again.

aerialbits

I looked at this. They do proper recognised city and guilds course, which is a big thing to have that cert, your virtually guaranteed to be picked for a job. The isaa course is not recognised by anyone, they are not accredited trainers. I even called the RTE to see if the isaa courses where recognised and they aren't.

I already did this course but I had to go all the way to the UK to do it. But its up to you

watty

The ISAA courses will be FETAC approved and may even have some C&G modules... As soon as is possible.

But as I'm the person designing and writing the courses, I'm biased.

I quite agree that such courses need to be audited, have proper exams (so that the cert means something) and meet FETAC, RTENL and Equipment maker standards.

I also envisage some modules will be available for "distance learning" / "home study". But CAI, C&G, OU etc do this already.

Any course does also depend on the quality of the person giving it as well as course content.

Again I'm biased on that.

aerialbits

Hi Watty

Thats good news to hear. What FETAC certification is this to be. Is it a totally new programme that is being developed or is it an existing one that is being modified to fit?

What I mean is that I see that there is a training company providing a satellite installer course giving a FETAC certificate. "Cable and Pre-installation Techniques". Which if you look at the specification. The certificate is specifically for cabling in the security and cctv industry. To me this seems to be very wrong.. I have to assume this has been accepted by FETAC which i find very worrying.

Are you qualified to develop training material? meaning have you been trained to be able to do course material for FETAC. I suppose what I am asking is are you a training provider yourself that is going to have to do something based on the above example.

Or are you a real qualified FETAC accredited trainer able to build training material with a certificate meant for the purpose.

bazrushe

aerialbits wrote: »

I looked at this. They do proper recognised city and guilds course, which is a big thing to have that cert, your virtually guaranteed to be picked for a job. The isaa course is not recognised by anyone, they are not accredited trainers. I even called the RTE to see if the isaa courses where recognised and they aren't.

I already did this course but I had to go all the way to the UK to do it. But its up to you

Hi aerialbits,

which course did u do the isaa or broadband careers? aerial or satellite? why had you to travel to the uk to do it when it was running in ireland.....

watty

Re: ISAA courses and Certificates http://www.isaa.tv/training.html (New Course outlines soon)

I have over 10 years experience giving training (off and on) in areas of Electronics, Programming, Computer networking.

I am post Graduate BBC trained (very high score in exams) Part1 and Part2 Communications Engineering at Woodnorton Evesham.

Worked many years in Broadcasting, Telecom, RF, Computer Networking, Programming, Electronics.

I'm designing a Modular program suited to Installers, yet with real technical content where appropriate.

For Satellite the scheme needs THREE certificates:
Safety: (six modules and based entirely on existing HSA and FETAC material)
Radio & TV aerial Install: 15 additional Modules. four are specifically DVB related and one of the four covers Saorview and Freeview including DVB-T, DVB-T2, MHEG5 and HD. One is test gear.
Both those are needed to do the modules of the "Single Feed Satellite Dish Install" which has 6 modules. Three are specifically DVB-S / DVB-S2 including Ku and Ka band, Saorsat and Freesat HD and Testgear.

All the usual stuff of cables, mounting etc is of course covered with lab and practical sessions. So we can make sure people can actually put plugs on, drill holes, bolt brackets and use ladders safely. Attendence isn't enough. The public must know they are getting someone that can do the job safely and properly.

A course on "cabling in the security and cctv industry" isn't much use for TV aerial and Satellite Dish install

aerialbits

bazrushe wrote: »

Hi aerialbits,

which course did u do the isaa or broadband careers? aerial or satellite? why had you to travel to the uk to do it when it was running in ireland.....

I did neither, I went to do the City and Guilds Courses in the UK because there werent any being done over here at the time.

All I am basically saying is that I found the city and guilds course very good.

When installers where being looked for, they where looking for guys with a proper certificate from a real awarding body. Because when they put tenders in they had to provide our quals. I had been working away for a long time but because I did not have a cert I could not be used.

So I am just saying go for the real cert not the made up ones or it wont be any use to you. A guy called Watty was saying that he was doing a course up for FETAC and the isaa. Which is fine, but the isaa cert on its own without FETAC is worthless no matter how good the course is. because its a piece of paper with nothing behind it. If the isaa FETAC course does happen then all well and good.

Standards at tightening up everywhere. I lost out on some good work to the polish because I did not have a cert over the last two years. They could wave allsorts of bits of paper from universities and colleges so I had no choice but to go to the UK in the end

aerialbits

watty wrote: »

Re: ISAA courses and Certificates http://www.isaa.tv/training.html (New Course outlines soon)

I have over 10 years experience giving training (off and on) in areas of Electronics, Programming, Computer networking.

I am post Graduate BBC trained (very high score in exams) Part1 and Part2 Communications Engineering at Woodnorton Evesham.

Worked many years in Broadcasting, Telecom, RF, Computer Networking, Programming, Electronics.

I'm designing a Modular program suited to Installers, yet with real technical content where appropriate.

For Satellite the scheme needs THREE certificates:
Safety: (six modules and based entirely on existing HSA and FETAC material)
Radio & TV aerial Install: 15 additional Modules. four are specifically DVB related and one of the four covers Saorview and Freeview including DVB-T, DVB-T2, MHEG5 and HD. One is test gear.
Both those are needed to do the modules of the "Single Feed Satellite Dish Install" which has 6 modules. Three are specifically DVB-S / DVB-S2 including Ku and Ka band, Saorsat and Freesat HD and Testgear.

All the usual stuff of cables, mounting etc is of course covered with lab and practical sessions. So we can make sure people can actually put plugs on, drill holes, bolt brackets and use ladders safely. Attendence isn't enough. The public must know they are getting someone that can do the job safely and properly.

A course on "cabling in the security and cctv industry" isn't much use for TV aerial and Satellite Dish install

This looks to be great stuff. I did all this through the blackburn college. I completed the Smatv/IRS nvq. the works. Though I did not join the CAI. I had enough to pay out without having to pay them fees too.

What I don't understand is how can FETAC allow that cabling and security cabling course be passed off as a satellite installers course. Thanks for the information. We will see how it pans out..

bazrushe

yeah would go for the broadband careers course they have, has more to offer..., would be great if they could combine the satellite and aerial course together.. funded by fas to which is gud.

watty

aerialbits wrote: »

What I don't understand is how can FETAC allow that cabling and security cabling course be passed off as a satellite installers course.

I shall certainly be asking them!

If they can't tell the difference I'd be looking at UK or German approvals to validate the course.

AstralTV

I looked at the above course

http://www.broadbandcareers.ie/satellite.html

& from the page

You will be earn the Broadbandcareers Satellite System Installation Technicians Certificate. Recognised as evidence of the underpinning knowledge towards NVQ Level 2. (Signal Reception)
no mention of city & guilds

with the ISAA course you get membership to the ISAA & ongoing support & advice from highly experienced members,

I am also biased

tonymontana82

hi guys, i recently completed the satellite installer course with chevron training in fermoy, at the end i got a fetac level 5 cable and pre installaton techniques, it was an ok course but was not impressed with their set up, i really just did it to learn more about the aerial theory side of things ,as iv installed sky for 2 years. im now goin doing the broadbandcareers course on optic fibre splicing, im just waiting to see if i get the grant. afterwards i might do their satellite course aswell, since on the cert you recieve it actually says "satellite". any advice would be appreciated guys, cheers. based in limerick by they way:)

tonymontana82

By the way guys, i just sent an email to chevron training asking them to explain why they give out "cable & pre installation techniques" cert when it has nothing to do with the course i done.
I will let ye know their response.

westerntrading satelllite services

hi there just wondered what grant is available for the broadbandcareers course on optic fibre splicing, cheers gerry

Captain Vegetable

Satellite only has 2 Ls.

tonymontana82

westerntrading satelllite services wrote: »

hi there just wondered what grant is available for the broadbandcareers course on optic fibre splicing, cheers gerry

i applied for that course aswell, they sent me out all the details, so i went into my local fas office for funding, they said they would fund me upto 500euro, after that you can ask your local social welfare officer for more funding.